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Monday, April 12, 2010

Guelph Communist: "U of Guelph anti-CFS vote stacked by Zionists"

Excuse me? From the Facebook page of Drew Garvie, a left-wing agitator and perenial Communist Party candidate:
This referendum was totally stacked and more broadly we need to be more organized than the Right to win. The "No" people were a scary bunch of conservatives, libertarians, careerist Admin hacks, zionists and anti-choicers. An equally broad coalition of groups on the left is necessary to keep the CFS in Guelph. - Sat April 10, 2010 at 23:49
Scratch below the surface of a leftist, and you'll typically find an anti-Semite.

In case folks don't know who Drew Garvie is, he's also one of the folks who helped organize the shameful anti-General Hillier protest at the University of Guelph last year.

I find it interesting that he talks about forming a "broad coalition of groups on the left" in order to, I quote, "KEEP THE CFS IN GUELPH". But hang on... didn't the student body just vote overwhelmingly, with a whopping 74% I'll remind you, to terminate their relationship with the CFS? That's right folks, Drew's comments can only mean one thing... that far-left at the UofG is planning to organize an effort to thwart the results of the students democratic vote on their membership with the CFS.

Stay tuned, it looks like this fight is FAR from over...

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  • At Mon. Apr. 12, 11:09:00 a.m. EDT, Anonymous Dirk said…

    "Scratch below the surface of a leftist, and you'll typically find an anti-Semite."

    Wow, that's weak. Antisemitism most definitely doesn't have a political bias. I can give you examples if you like.

  • At Mon. Apr. 12, 11:22:00 a.m. EDT, Blogger Christian Conservative said…

    You are quite correct Dirk, I'll give you that... however, the prominence of anti-Semitism that we're seeing here in Canada of late, I'd submit to you, has been from left-wing connected groups... the Israel Apartheid Week, the anti-Israel positions taken by various union-connected organizations, etc.

  • At Mon. Apr. 12, 11:35:00 a.m. EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Welcome to Democracy, it's what our fathers fought for, and won, it's price was high, in terms of treasure and blood. You lost get over it.
    Cheers Bubba

  • At Mon. Apr. 12, 12:03:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Paul M said…

    This Garvie character looks and sounds like a real winner.

  • At Mon. Apr. 12, 12:42:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger David Thomson said…

    What a nut case,

  • At Mon. Apr. 12, 04:05:00 p.m. EDT, Anonymous Hertz said…

    Everyone has the right to run in an election CC, even if they only get a couple of votes. To tell Garvie not to bother is an affront to the democracy you claim to hold high.
    Let it go.

  • At Mon. Apr. 12, 05:13:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Christian Conservative said…

    Who said anything about stopping him Hertz? I'm just giving him a friendly suggestion... you know, kindly warning him off before he gets front page coverage with his anti-Semetic remarks during any campaign. ;-)

  • At Mon. Apr. 12, 06:10:00 p.m. EDT, Anonymous Hertz said…

    I would like to know how the result "leaked" since it was a fairly tightly controlled internal thing...

  • At Mon. Apr. 12, 07:09:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Jerry Prager said…

    Palestinians are Semites, therefor, Israel is anti-Semitic. Karl Marx was a Jew and a communist. Protestant and Catholic clergy used to preach anti-Semitism from the pulpit. Fundamentalists still preach against Muslim Semites.

  • At Tue. Apr. 13, 08:27:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Anon1152 said…

    "Scratch below the surface of a leftist, and you'll typically find an anti-Semite."

    I too have to take issue with that comment.

    I don't doubt that the young communist gentleman is involved in "anti-zionist" actions. But for the moment, I just want to focus on the passage you cite and ask: how exactly does it reveal anti-semitism? You say "scratch below the surface". Is the quote you have what you've found after scratching? Or is it the surface that needs to be scratched? (You seem to suggest the former).

    Is using the word "zionist" anti-semitic or (otherwise suspect)?

    In the statement you cite, he seems to have an antipathy toward zionists, yes; but also "conservatives, libertarians, careerist Admin hacks [and] anti-choicers."

    I thought Zionists were defined primarily in terms of a political position/ideology rather than religion or race.

    So am in general a bit confused.

  • At Tue. Apr. 13, 08:50:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Christian Conservative said…

    Hey 1152, I've found that anyone using the term "zionist" is simply using it as a code word to refer to opposition to the very existance of a Jewish state.

    I've also found that the predominence of anti-Semtism we're seeing these days is coming from "the left"... unions, "social justice" organizations, etc... as such, you're right... I'm jumping to a conclusion on this one.

    I think I'm right though.

  • At Tue. Apr. 13, 09:21:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Anon1152 said…

    As I suggested above, don't want to dispute your conclusion. I just wanted to be sure that you were in fact jumping.


    I do have a specific question (or set of questions).

    People accuse those who express concern over suffering in the occupied territories of being anti-semitic or anti-Israeli. And I think we can agree that in some cases, but surely not all, that is correct. Those who are so-accused often argue that they are not anti-semitic; they are only against some of Israel's specific policies. And as with any country, there are many Israelis who disagree with government policy.

    That said, how should someone who disagrees with certain policies/actions of the Israeli government express that disagreement? How should someone express concern over, for example, an Israeli assault on Gaza, or an Israeli blockade of Gaza, or building settlements in the occupied territories or East Jerusalem, (or whatever)? Can they express their concern or disagreement without also being anti-semitic?

    I get the impression that the word "anti-semitism" gets thrown around a lot, much like the word "racism". It is a horrible accusation and as such, should probably be used with some care.

  • At Tue. Apr. 13, 09:27:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Christian Conservative said…

    Good questions 1152.

    Not using the term "zionist" would be a good start.

    The next thing that I'd say to someone who wants to oppose the some of the policies of Israel, as opposed to the existance of the state itself, would be to apply the same set of standards to terror groups like Hamas, and to publicly oppose them as well... condemning rocket attacks and suicide bombers would be a good place to start.

    However, I don't often see that sort of "fair and balanced" approach from most folks on the left... such as this young man I've posted about.

  • At Tue. Apr. 20, 01:28:00 p.m. EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism. Defending human rights against the Israeli State is not anti-Semitic.

    Regardless, the students at Guelph have the right to democratically decide if they are going to be members of the CFS, and I believe Garvie's comments reflect the progressive attitude of continuing student unity and re-federating in the future.


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