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I'm an evangelical Christian, member of the CPC, but presently & unjustly exiled to wander the political wilderness.
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Thursday, October 11, 2007

The "War on Drugs"

I wasn't going to bother posting on this, knowing I'll get flamed, but I decided hey, why not try and start a good discussion.

It all started with this article in today's National Post, which I will summarize with a single word... TRIPE.

One paragraph that got me going...
There's no longer any question that these strategies decrease drug-related harms without increasing drug use. What blocks expansion of such programs is not cost; they typically save taxpayers' money that would otherwise go to criminal justice and health care. No, the roadblocks are abstinence-only ideologues and a cruel indifference to the lives and well-being of people who use drugs.
EXCUSE ME?!?!? I oppose "harm reduction" programs BECAUSE I care VERY MUCH about the lives and well-being of people who are on drugs! It's BECAUSE I care that I have an abstinence-only ideology!!! I don't support "harm reduction" because it WON'T solve the underlying problem of getting these poor people OFF the drugs that are destroying their lives!!!

Here's another kicker paragraph...
The better approach is not demand reduction but "harm reduction." Reducing drug use is fine, but it's not nearly as important as reducing the death, disease, crime and suffering associated with both drug misuse and failed prohibitionist policies. With respect to legal drugs, such as alcohol and cigarettes, harm reduction means promoting responsible drinking and designated drivers, or persuading people to switch to nicotine patches, chewing gums and smokeless tobacco. With respect to illegal drugs, it means reducing the transmission of infectious disease through syringe-exchange programs, reducing overdose fatalities by making antidotes readily available and allowing people addicted to heroin and other illegal opiates to obtain methadone from doctors and even pharmaceutical heroin from clinics.
Hogwash, other than the comments on methadone. THAT is a program that is directly designed to get people OFF drugs... therefore, I can support it.

What the author fails to see is that people like me simply CANNOT, in good concience, condone a program that enables anyone to remain addicted to something that will ruin their life, and the lives of others in their immediate circle of family and/or friends. I could not sleep at night knowing that my actions failed to rescue them from the circle of misery into which they have fallen. Therefore, I choose to support programs that have a real chance of getting people off illegal drugs, or makes them hard to obtain so that people are prevented from turning to them.

Here's my hard-nosed solution, that's likely to make some fur fly... lock up those who can't stay clean in a newly constructed and remote super-secure facility for users. Monitor everything going in and out to ensure that no drugs are getting into the place to give them a real chance to break free. Impose new laws so that anyone caught smuggling drugs into such facilities (namely bad guards or other workers) will get locked up for VERY long periods of time, to ensure there's no motivation to even consider attempting to smuggle anything in. Upon successfully getting clean, implement a program of enforced relocation for former addicts as a condition of release, to ensure that they don't wind up in the same circle of friends or familiar locations to lead them back down the wrong path. Implement guarenteed work programs for these individuals in their new community, to help them get back into society, and to help them begin again.

That's my plan. But, alas, it likely won't work, thanks to all the court challenges that will be brought forward by various groups who say they support "harm reduction"... which to me, just sounds like code for "let the people who can't help themselves suffer in their misery, but just make sure the government is there with massive social programs to make sure they they can continue to live in poverty"... but that's just what I hear when I hear the words "harm reduction".

In my opinion, the author is just wrong on so many levels. He does make a strong case that major change is needed in how to deal with drugs, and I'll agree with him there. However, I feel that his suggestions will do more harm than good... by opening to doors to drugs, we're going to face a whole new host of problems, and we're going to see thousands of young lives that will be ruined by the legalization of drugs. (one of the many reasons why I'm NOT a Libertarian)

Anyway, that's my two cents. With all the two cents people are going to reply with, I'm likely gonna be a rich man...

11 Comments:

  • At Thu Oct 11, 03:57:00 p.m. EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    The Post is absolutely right and you are absolutely naively wrong...prohibition is a crime to humanity. Take off your blinders please.
    You know so little on the subject I cringe to the fact you posted it in the first place.

    I am a true blue Conservative/Libertarian BTW.

     
  • At Thu Oct 11, 04:09:00 p.m. EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I think it's all part and parcel of the "homeless industry". These "harm reduction" programs ensure that the addicted remain on the streets so all of the various agencies can "help" them and receive millions of dollars from muncipal, provincial, and federal governments. Apparently, we have about 1500 homeless (at peak summer season) and various agencies receive about $30 million a year to deal with them (you do the math!!). All those homeless reports, informational websites, round table discussion meeting, and door-to-door needle delivery services are expensive I guess!

    Ottawa U did a recent study on our harm reduction program here and their conclusive finding were that, although it lowered occurance of AIDS, hep c, etc..it INCREASED drug use (how is that not harmful??!!). We finally just got rid of the crack pipe program but still have the needle exchange (many of which I find, used of course, in my work parking lot every morning along with the used condoms!!).

    Get these poor people into treatment centres and give them a chance to get off drugs, if I can do it then they can do it too!!

    Charley

     
  • At Thu Oct 11, 04:10:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger KC said…

    Your "hard-nosed solution" is as close to fascism as anything I have seen proposed in modern Canada. But that is an aside

    I suppose you oppose any kind of health care program that helps obese people right? You couldnt possibly "enable" them to continue "ruin their lives" right?

    Your dismisal of harm reduction presupposes that there is such thing as a policy that will actually get the people off the drugs.

    Frankly given the choice between living in a society where some people destroy their lives with drugs and living in a society where the government can throw you in some sort of Orwellian facility for simply ingesting a chemical; I choose the former.

    You are quite the authoritarian.

     
  • At Thu Oct 11, 04:16:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Brian in Calgary said…

    ...prohibition is a crime to humanity...

    Does that mean you are against the prohibition of EVERYTHING? Including kiddie porn? Including rape and murder and theft? If not, why? Let's have your reasoning. (I just know I'm going to get slammed over this, but so be it.)

    To CC and the second anonymous poster - I agree wholeheartedly with you.

    To kc - great job in setting up straw men and putting words in other people's mouths (and no, I'm not doing the same thing in my response to the first anonymous poster - I just want his/her reasoning).

     
  • At Thu Oct 11, 04:30:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Drew Costen said…

    Does that mean you are against the prohibition of EVERYTHING?

    I know you weren't talking to me, but I'm against the prohibition of anything that doesn't harm people other than oneself against their will. If someone wants to harm themselves I think they should be free to do so and should be allowed to have the tools to do so if that's what they desire.

    And Prescott, fascism is never the answer. If God gives us the freedom to screw up then we should respect that freedom.

     
  • At Thu Oct 11, 04:47:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Christian Conservative said…

    "If someone wants to harm themselves I think they should be free to do so and should be allowed to have the tools to do so if that's what they desire."

    The problem with that view is that those doing the drugs ARE invariably harming others... their families, their children, those whom many addicts steal from to pay for their habit, and those who are injured in auto-wrecks caused by those under the influence of these drugs.

    If there was a way to mitigate these "harms" that will occur to these other people, then perhaps your view could hold water. As it presently stands, it can't.

     
  • At Thu Oct 11, 05:28:00 p.m. EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I am Annon #1...

    -Brian, I am again'st ANY FORM of child/women abuse. Please let's not play with words here.
    Prohibition of an adult's freedom to consume any substance is what I'm again'st...That includes alcool, tobacco, twinkies, bigmacs, fries, pop etc...
    I don't see any beer manufacturer or Cocacola sales rep going to jail for making people sick and cloaging our healthcare system...Why should the dope dealer be incarcerated?

    "The problem with that view is that those doing the drugs ARE invariably harming others... their families, their children, those whom many addicts steal from to pay for their habit, and those who are injured in auto-wrecks caused by those under the influence of these drugs."

    Why does alcool get a free pass then???

    Remember, alcool was banned in the US for a decade...What did it accomplish? A powerful mafia, death and misery from violent crime to control a lucrative illegal market not to mention death and blindness from bad quality product, thousands jailed, lawyers filling their pockets, government corruption(Sounds familiar?)...Until the breaking point where alcool was reintruduced, taxed, controlled.

    Yes, there is still too much highway death from drunk driving...It's the cost of freedom.BUT,because of education and public awareness, it is on the decline per capita.

    Introducing drugs in the open would educate the masses of it's perils much more efficiently then keeping it illegal.....Billions and billions of untapped tax dollars that could serve to help the few that would go too far.

    Look at the broad picture. Forget the ugly stereotypes constantly shown in the media: A junkie's dirty hands pushing a needle in his skinny arm or the crack pipe burning.
    Remember, these addicts are also on the street, malnourished and dirty because of their habit being so expensive too. Legal drugs would be cheaper and redeally available.
    It's ugly but it will never go away...No matter how much money you want your governments to put into fighting this unwinnable war.
    The biggest loosers are not the junkies, they are the people who fantasize in winning with prohibition.
    Check this out:

    http://www.drugsense.org/wodclock.htm

     
  • At Thu Oct 11, 05:30:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Drew Costen said…

    The problem with that view is that those doing the drugs ARE invariably harming others... their families, their children, those whom many addicts steal from to pay for their habit, and those who are injured in auto-wrecks caused by those under the influence of these drugs.

    Right, and people who harm their children shouldn't be allowed to do so, but not all partakers of drugs have children, nor are they all addicts (nor do all drug users harm their children, either). If a drug user is stealing then there should be consequences for the stealing, but not for the drug use itself (beyond the natural, physical and mental consequences they will inevitably experience). If someone is harming their children then their children should be taken out of that situation (and the parent should probably be arrested), regardless of whether it's because of drug addiction or anything else. If someone is harming other members of their family then they should be arrested as well (unless you're talking about them causing emotional distress, but I don't think causing emotional distress should be illegal as that would make nearly everything on the planet illegal since nearly everything causes emotional distress to someone out there... in fact religion would probably be the first to have to go). You can't bring up auto wrecks unless you're willing to prohibit alcohol consumption as well so I'll ignore that point for now unless you want to open that can of worms (suffice it to say, driving under the influence of mind altering drugs should obviously be illegal regardless of the legality of the drug in question).

     
  • At Thu Oct 11, 05:31:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Drew Costen said…

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  • At Thu Oct 11, 05:38:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Drew Costen said…

    I'll also re-post my response to you in the last discussion we had as I don't believe you ever responded to it either:


    I do believe in having the Government legislate against some things, within reason

    
Me too... things that harm others against their will. Things that are neutral or that only hurt yourself, however, should be legal.

    

and I feel restricting marijuana is a reasonable thing to do, partially because of what Anon@11:37pm said... "If you pro-potheads don't think it's harmful, talk to a school councillor or teacher. They see kids, sitting in class, stoned out of their goard everyday. They can't learn, because they can't think. They can't think, thusly they can't succeed."

    
You're right, we should definitely make it illegal, then, to stop these kids from getting stoned. Oh, wait... it already is. Prohibition doesn't work. Never has, never will.


    Add to that the fact that I had a Grade 12 English teacher who we all suspected was constantly stoned out of her gourd... so now you have a whole class that can't learn because of her idiocy. (she wasn't there the following year)

    
Another example of how prohibition doesn't work, since the fact that it's already illegal didn't stop your teacher from smoking it. And you know what? Alcohol is legal, and yet if I came to work drunk I'd get fired, so that's not a strong argument against legalizing weed either.


    And the case of a friend of mine who was a daily pot user for 8 years... he says there's an eight year hole in his life where he accomplished nothing, and those are wasted years that he can never get back.

    
Yes, there are people who will use it irresponsibly, just like everything else (from alcohol to food to cars). That's not a valid reason to keep it illegal either, particularly considering all of the pot smokers (probably the majority of them) leading normal, productive lives with no negative social side effects at all from the weed.


    
Seriously, you haven't given and good reasons to keep it illegal, particularly as long as alcohol and cigarettes are legal. Again, there's no reason to make something illegal unless it is harming people, other than the one using it, against their will. Harming your own body shouldn't be a crime.


    
Again, this is why I can't currently vote for the Conservative Party. I may agree with them on a lot of economic issues, but when it comes to the social issues I believe they are just plain wrong, and I couldn't in good conscience support a party fighting against freedom.

     
  • At Fri Oct 12, 11:42:00 a.m. EDT, Blogger Brian in Calgary said…

    To Anon #1 - Thanks for clarifying your views. I don't agree with you (obviously), but that doesn't matter. I was just hoping that your statement "prohibition is a crime" was not a complete synopsis of your attitude on the topic of legislating morality; you've confirmed that it isn't. Have a nice day.

     

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