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Thursday, October 04, 2007

CTV Poll: Canadians want stiffer penalties

I don't think we at the Blogging Tories have enough influence to skew this poll this fast... 49% of 5600 people say harsh penalties are important. (Detox and Rehab centres were second at 28%, which also I support)

Safe injection sites? Not so much... a whopping 4%.

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posted by Christian Conservative @ 4:36 p.m.  

13 Comments:

  • At Thu Oct 04, 05:04:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Drew Costen said…

    From the CTV article:

    The Conservatives quashed a bill from the previous Liberal government decriminalizing possession of small amounts of marijuana shortly after coming to power last year -- despite support for the resolution in the House of Commons from every other party.

    There's another reason I could never vote for the Conservative party. I've never used a drug in my life, nor do I intend to, but I couldn't vote for a party that did this. The day the Conservative party legalizes marijuana (a drug I have no intention of using, I repeat) is the day I seriously consider voting for them.

     

  • At Thu Oct 04, 06:41:00 p.m. EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Only a complete moron references a online poll as indicative of anything.

     

  • At Thu Oct 04, 08:52:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger hunter said…

    An online poll is as statistically accurate as some of the other polls we see. Take all polls with a grain of salt.

     

  • At Thu Oct 04, 09:17:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Eric said…

    So .. let me get this straight..

    You'll not vote for a party because they won't let you do what you don't want to do?

    Besides... there are literally mountains of studies that have shown the adverse effects of marijuana. People who can sit and claim that marijuana is safe are fooling themselves.

    The only argument I can agree with is that decriminalizing marijuana makes it easier to handle because it would involve a fine. But then again, people smoke it knowing full well if they get caught they'll get a criminal record. So will a fine scare them away? Not likely.

     

  • At Thu Oct 04, 10:13:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Christian Conservative said…

    Anon@6:41, amm, so then, do you have any idea why CTV even bothers to host them?

    They must figure they're at least indicitve of something.

     

  • At Thu Oct 04, 10:23:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Drew Costen said…

    So .. let me get this straight..

    You'll not vote for a party because they won't let you do what you don't want to do?

    I won't vote for a party that doesn't let people in general (be it myself or others) do what they want to do. As long as one isn't harming others against their will, I think people should be free to do what they want even if it hurts them (stupidity shouldn't be a crime, the natural consequences should be enough).

     

  • At Thu Oct 04, 10:37:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Christian Conservative said…

    So lemme get this straight TCH/DC... (I find it weird referring to you by your handle!)

    You're a raving Libertarian, who refuses to support the only party that is anything that remotely resembles Libertarianism?

    Maybe that's why this country is stuck where we're at, instead of moving forward like we should be.

     

  • At Thu Oct 04, 11:37:00 p.m. EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    If you pro-potheads don't think it's harmful, talk to a school councillor or teacher.
    They see kids, sitting in class, stoned out of their goard everyday.
    They can't learn, because they can't think.
    They can't think, thusly they can't succeed.

     

  • At Thu Oct 04, 11:44:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Drew Costen said…

    So lemme get this straight TCH/DC... (I find it weird referring to you by your handle!)

    You can call me Drew if you like. :)

    You're a raving Libertarian

    I'm actually a socialist libertarian, of sorts. I defy category, I suppose, except, perhaps, the category of "Heretic." :)

    who refuses to support the only party that is anything that remotely resembles Libertarianism?

    How does voting against decriminalizing marijuana even begin to resemble libertarianism (or at least the philosophy I follow)?

    Maybe that's why this country is stuck where we're at, instead of moving forward like we should be.

    If I believed the Conservative Party would actually make things better I'd not only vote for them, I'm promote them. Problem is, I just don't see it happening.

     

  • At Fri Oct 05, 10:03:00 a.m. EDT, Blogger Drew Costen said…

    "How does voting against decriminalizing marijuana even begin to resemble libertarianism"

    Well?

     

  • At Fri Oct 05, 11:12:00 a.m. EDT, Blogger Christian Conservative said…

    Hey, I said closest thing to... not totally Libertarian. If they were, I couldn't support them myself. ;-)

    I do believe in having the Government legislate against some things, within reason... and I feel restricting marijuana is a reasonable thing to do, partially because of what Anon@11:37pm said... "If you pro-potheads don't think it's harmful, talk to a school councillor or teacher. They see kids, sitting in class, stoned out of their goard everyday. They can't learn, because they can't think. They can't think, thusly they can't succeed."

    Add to that the fact that I had a Grade 12 English teacher who we all suspected was constantly stoned out of her gourd... so now you have a whole class that can't learn because of her idiocy. (she wasn't there the following year)

    And the case of a friend of mine who was a daily pot user for 8 years... he says there's an eight year hole in his life where he accomplished nothing, and those are wasted years that he can never get back.

    Finally, I still support the medical use of marijuana, but not in the wide-spread "give it to anyone who SAYS it helps" mindset of some advocates these days.

     

  • At Fri Oct 05, 12:46:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Drew Costen said…

    I do believe in having the Government legislate against some things, within reason

    Me too... things that harm others against their will. Things that are neutral or that only hurt yourself, however, should be legal.

    and I feel restricting marijuana is a reasonable thing to do, partially because of what Anon@11:37pm said... "If you pro-potheads don't think it's harmful, talk to a school councillor or teacher. They see kids, sitting in class, stoned out of their goard everyday. They can't learn, because they can't think. They can't think, thusly they can't succeed."

    You're right, we should definitely make it illegal, then, to stop these kids from getting stoned. Oh, wait... it already is. Prohibition doesn't work. Never has, never will.

    Add to that the fact that I had a Grade 12 English teacher who we all suspected was constantly stoned out of her gourd... so now you have a whole class that can't learn because of her idiocy. (she wasn't there the following year)

    Another example of how prohibition doesn't work, since the fact that it's already illegal didn't stop your teacher from smoking it. And you know what? Alcohol is legal, and yet if I came to work drunk I'd get fired, so that's not a strong argument against legalizing weed either.

    And the case of a friend of mine who was a daily pot user for 8 years... he says there's an eight year hole in his life where he accomplished nothing, and those are wasted years that he can never get back.

    Yes, there are people who will use it irresponsibly, just like everything else (from alcohol to food to cars). That's not a valid reason to keep it illegal either, particularly considering all of the pot smokers (probably the majority of them) leading normal, productive lives with no negative social side effects at all from the weed.

    Seriously, you haven't given and good reasons to keep it illegal, particularly as long as alcohol and cigarettes are legal. Again, there's no reason to make something illegal unless it is harming people, other than the one using it, against their will. Harming your own body shouldn't be a crime.

    Again, this is why I can't currently vote for the Conservative Party. I may agree with them on a lot of economic issues, but when it comes to the social issues I believe they are just plain wrong, and I couldn't in good conscience support a party fighting against freedom.

     

  • At Fri Oct 05, 02:21:00 p.m. EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Harper is throwing another bone to the social conservatives.

    Must be election time :)
    H.

     

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