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I'm an evangelical Christian, member of the CPC, but presently & unjustly exiled to wander the political wilderness.
All opinions expressed here are solely my own.

Saturday, November 21, 2009

IFFY officially in sub-Dion territory

YIKES... IFFY is now below Dion's 2008 election numbers, at 24%, according to the latest Ipsos Reid poll.
Michael Ignatieff's Liberals garnered 24 per cent of support among respondents, a drop of one percentage point from late October.

The Liberals' steady descent has them almost at the same depths as in December of last year, when former leader Stephane Dion's call for a coalition government sat uneasily with a majority of Canadians. A poll taken Dec. 3 suggested the Liberals' support had dipped to 23 per cent.
Just one more percent to go until he's below Dion's WORST ever numbers... the level I predicted he'd drop to back in September.

Yes indeed folks, the honeymoon is OVER.

UPDATE: OH MY... and down go the numbers even further. First, an Angus-Reid poll I missed that put them down at 23%, (matching my prediction from September, h/t to a commenter for that) and now, Dion's wife Janine Krieber has launched a blistering attack on Michael Ignatieff and the current state of the Liberal Party. OUCH!!! AND FURTHER DOWN THEY GO!!!

It's been a year and one week since I last wrote on my blog. Ah! "la présidente" is lazy. But we have to take action now.

The Liberal Party is falling apart, and will not recover. Like all liberal parties in Europe, it will become a weakling at the mercy of ephemeral coalitions. By refusing the historic coalition that would have placed it at the helm of the left, it will be punished by history.

Anyway, I became convinced of it the moment that Paul Martin treated Jean Chrétien so cavalierly. The party died at that moment. If the Toronto elites had been more in tune, humble and realist, Stéphane would have been willing to take all the time and absord all the hits needed to rebuild the party. But they couldn't swallow the 26%, and now we are at 23%.

The time for choices is now. I don't want to see the Conservatives continue to change my country. They are, slowly, like any dictatorship, changing the world. Torture doesn't exist, corruption is a fabrication. Do we really have the right leader to discuss these questions? Can someone really write these insanities and lead us to believe that he simply changed his mind? In order to justify violence, he must have engaged in serious thought. Otherwise, it's very dangerous. How can we be sure that he won't change his mind one more time?

The party grassroots had understood all of that, and the average citizen is starting to understand it too. Ignatieff's supporters have not done their homework. They did not read his books, consult his colleagues. They were satisfied that he could be charming at cocktails. Some of them are outraged now. I am hearing: Why did no one say it? We told you loud and clear, you didn't listen.

I am starting a serious reflection. I will not give my voice to a party that will end up in the trashcan of history. I am looking around me, and certain things are attractive. Like a dedicated party that doesn't challenge its leader at every hiccup in the polls. A party where the rule would be the principle of pleasure, and not assassination. A party where work ethic and competence would be respected and where smiles would be real.

Maybe I'm not dreaming.

"La présidente."

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  • At Sat. Nov. 21, 01:40:00 p.m. EST, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Who IS this Iffy fellow you keep referring to? I've looked all over the Internet, and I can't find one reference to anyone named "Iffy". If he has a proper name, maybe you better start using it.

  • At Sat. Nov. 21, 02:47:00 p.m. EST, Blogger Christian Conservative said…

    Here's a hint... Google is your friend. ;-)

    (yea, the first hit is from the Globe & Mail. You know you can access them through the internet now... who knew!)

  • At Sat. Nov. 21, 03:59:00 p.m. EST, Blogger CanadianSense said…

    MI is clear the Liberals did not get it done.

    He will make sure he will get it done.

    I am going to repeat again I think he is a double agent for the Republican Party and will destroy the Liberal Party in Canada.

  • At Sat. Nov. 21, 04:00:00 p.m. EST, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    It seems that the iggomaniac's new brain trust is keeping him well away from this nonsensical debate over prisoner transfers in the days of yore. They seem to have come to the conclusion that the only way to keep the Liberals from disappearing completely is to keep him out of the public eye.

  • At Sat. Nov. 21, 05:36:00 p.m. EST, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    From the same article you link to:

    "Prime Minister Stephen Harper's ruling Conservatives fell three points to 37 per cent, shy of the 40 per cent typically seen as a level needed to land a majority government."

    Conservative support is around where it was during the 2008 election (which was around where it was during the 2006 election): between 36 and 38%.

    In fact, the CPC received over 100 000 fewer votes in 2008 (5,208,796) than in 2006 (5,374,071). [My source is Wikipedia].

    The only parties gaining ground here are to the left of the CPC. The Liberals' loss is not the Conservatives' gain.

    Do you agree, and if so, is this a problem?


    I don't think this is an empirical-political problem. I believe Harper is close to a majority too, but that this has more to do with the skillful manipulation of public opinion than any increased support for Harper's ideology (and/or the policies that would flow from it).

  • At Sat. Nov. 21, 06:36:00 p.m. EST, Blogger wilson said…

    Angus Reid poll released same day
    Cons 38
    Libs 23

  • At Mon. Nov. 23, 11:45:00 a.m. EST, Anonymous Jen said…

    If we had a 'real democratic' media instead of these flippants ones. Where do you think the LIBERALS will be at right now.

    If ever the Liberals do return by/with the help of their media; the ndp and the bloc will follow suit as they are all party of the coalition agreement. Whatever the liberals do must be consulted with their buddies first.
    As you can see for yourselves, the national mediagaters are now protecting the ndp since, as I said before, the ndp bloc and liberals are bounded together.

    Put our country into the hands of the opposition and she goes down rapidly.
    The national media doesn't care anyway in which direction canada goes as long as their corrupt party liberals run the show.

  • At Mon. Nov. 23, 12:10:00 p.m. EST, Anonymous JEN said…

    You know what's surprising,

    the prime minister stephen harper who has no national media to his name, but is hated by all canadian national television media, has managed to walk through the burning flames to the other side unscared.
    The liberals on the other hand with all their medias across this nation at their feet to feel protected unscared ARE 'BURNING' no matter which way they turn the flames are there for the corruption, thievery, lies insults etc and not a day pass by have they acknowledge their corruption far less return the missing money at a time when canadians needed it most. the list is long and blaming the prime minister for the liberals very own mess is also a big flame on the liberals.

  • At Tue. Nov. 24, 04:52:00 p.m. EST, Blogger maryT said…

    Maybe we received fewer votes in the last election but it was the liberals who received fewer seats.
    Think of the money we saved the taxpayers by not voting. Proof, we think of the taxpayer.

  • At Wed. Nov. 25, 12:03:00 a.m. EST, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Hi MaryT:

    That's my point. The seats a party gets are not a reflection of the votes they get. I think that's a problem. This is perhaps more of a problem from a Conservative point of view, since their votes tend to be less "efficient" than the liberals. That is, the liberals have just enough support in their ridings to win a seat, and the conservatives have many seats where they have all sorts of votes that they don't "need".

    That's why Chretien and Rae could form comfortable majority governments with 37% of the vote. About the amount of support Harper received in the previous election.

    As for the money being saved... I'm certain that that's not the reason why people don't vote. If I'm willing to vote for a candidate, I'm willing to see 2 dollars of my taxes directed to the party.

    There may be savings. But when we are talking about the functioning of our democracy, I think the costs of the current situation are far greater than anything we may save.


  • At Wed. Nov. 25, 10:30:00 a.m. EST, Blogger maryT said…

    Anon, I was being sarcastic when I mentioned the money saved.
    Everyone should get out and vote in every election called, be it municipal, provincial or federal.

  • At Thu. Nov. 26, 12:03:00 a.m. EST, Anonymous Anonymous said…


    Apologies for not "getting" the sarcasm.

    (You would understand if you had seen my reaction, years ago, to someone telling me: "they're going to take the word gullible out of the dictionary").

    On reflection, I realize that to eliminate the subsidy in general (because of cost savings) and to be happy about a reduction in the cost of the subsidy due to lower voter turnout are analytically distinct. One can be in favour of one, but not the other, and remain consistent.

    Also: gullible is still in the dictionary. I checked.

    In my defense, a non-sarcastic interpretation seemed plausible. I was thinking of Harper's economic statement towards the end of 2008 (October?) which proposed eliminating the subsidy as a cost savings measure. (Which would be a miniscule savings compared to the other things we spend money on).

    I think a similar point was made about the Wildrose Alliance's call for a public inquiry into MLA pay:

    His point being that .0046% is devoted to MLA pay, and that the "public inquiry" being called for had nothing to do with saving large amounts of money in the budget.

    I'm worried/disappointed/afraid that the things we focus on as problems do not make sense given the reasons why we are told we should focus on them.

    I'll stop here, since I could go on at length, and would no doubt put both of us to sleep. You: from boredom. Me: from banging my head against the wall.


    maryT (or anyone): if you have a blogger/gmail account thingy, do you get notified if someone--i.e., me, now--responds to your posting here? I realized recently that this happens on facebook. I've had a very inactive account for many years. Which shows how little I've used the commenting function...)

  • At Fri. Nov. 27, 12:13:00 a.m. EST, Blogger maryT said…

    Anon, apology accepted. And yes, I do get notifications of comments on posts I have commented on.
    Gone for the day to the big city, and just got home. Over 100 e-mails to read.
    OT, but if anyone knows how to break down donations to the libs, re Victory Fund, or response to their latest request, please let us all know. Will be interesting to see how their totals compare to each quarter.


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