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Tuesday, September 29, 2009


No, for once I'm NOT calling for him to be tossed out of office... I'm COMMENDING HIS GOVERNMENT FOR THIS...and I'm backing this one 100%!!!
Ont. launches $50B tobacco lawsuit
Tuesday, September 29, 2009

Ontario says it is going to sue the big tobacco companies — for $50 billion.

The province said in a news release it is seeking damages "for past and ongoing health-care costs linked to tobacco-related illness."

"Ontario is taking the next step towards recovering taxpayer dollars spent fighting tobacco-related illnesses. We are joining British Columbia and New Brunswick in initiating a lawsuit to recover health-care costs from tobacco companies," said Attorney General Chris Bentley.

The $50-billion figure represents the cost the province says it has footed for providing health care to smokers for more than half a century.

"The amount of $50 billion will have to be proven in court, of course, but that it our view of the costs of health care- related illnesses directly tied to tobacco from 1955 until now," Bentley told reporters outside the provincial legislative assembly.

Ontario set the framework for the lawsuit through legislation passed this year.

The Tobacco Damages and Health Care Costs Recovery Act allows the province to sue for recovery of past, present and continuing tobacco-related damages. It also creates a method to determine the costs associated with tobacco-related illnesses and allocates liability by market share.

"The taxpayers of the province of Ontario have paid a lot of money for health-care costs directly related to tobacco use over the decades," Bentley said. "We passed legislation, which is consistent with legislation in other places. We believe the taxpayers should be compensated for the costs that they have paid. That's what this lawsuit is about,"

The tobacco companies have not responded.

The allegations contained in the lawsuit have not been proven in court.

The first lawsuit against tobacco companies was pursued by four U.S. states in the mid-1990s, and led to a 50-state agreement in 1999 in which the industry agreed to pay $246 billion US over a 25-year period for health-care costs that resulted from the use of its products.

With files from The Canadian Press

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  • At Tue Sep 29, 01:48:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Bert said…

    Don't think I agree with you on this one, CC. On one hand they gather taxes on said tobacco, yet on the other hand, they want to sue the tobacco companies for something the government has basicallt given the OK for ?.

  • At Tue Sep 29, 02:12:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Christian Conservative said…

    From "Bert":

    "Also smokers pay as much taxes as you do for health care.They are also off of health care sooner if we believe all the JUNK that they die earlier. It,s a lot of Global warming type propaganda to make all the do gooders feel good. We are all going to die for goodness sake and their are more people dying from drugs and car accidents than from smoking,so lets not get on the smokers anymore.Other than saying its a bad habit,its none of our business and it is not costing us anymore than treating obesity or alzheimers or drug addiction.It is just an other lazy mans way of trying to pin the blame on someone for the stupidity of the system. Fire 90% of the hospital management and you will see profits again or better still privatize health care and keep the unions out and you will see a profit not cost increases.


  • At Tue Sep 29, 02:18:00 p.m. EDT, Anonymous C-Mom said…

    I'm sorry but Dolton is a huge hypocrite, on one hand he rapes the wallet of all those smoke thru harsh taxation and keeps smokes legal when it is a well known health hazard, yet on the other hand for the sake of the public's health he has banned pesticides that every medical board and the WHO state are perfectly harmless.

    I guess Dolton hasn't seen the study where it has been proven that smokers actually cost the state less money in the long run? Seems in the short term they may be more expensive, but since they die younger the cost less when you take all government programs they will NOT be participating in.

  • At Tue Sep 29, 02:36:00 p.m. EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Smoking is a loathsome, disgusting habit, yet I hope people are smart enough not to do it (the same as for other self-destructive behaviours); despite that, it is the height of hypocrisy for that weasel McGuinty to decide to sue a company for selling a legal product that THE GOVERNMENT decided to allow the sale of, and profits to the tune of $8 billion per year on. If they want to prohiit it, by all means, do so (but don't expect that to do anything useful either), but THE GOVERNMENT is at LEAST as responsible for all of these things as the tobacco companies are; is he going to sue HIMSELF next?

  • At Tue Sep 29, 02:44:00 p.m. EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    It is basically the same thing as the new HST and Environmental taxes. The government needs money so they look around to see where they can get it from. It is not about health or the environment or anything else. It is always about money. Once people realize this they will wake up and see that they are being had. People always get the government they deserve.

  • At Tue Sep 29, 02:44:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Bert said…

    Um, I didn't say that.

  • At Tue Sep 29, 02:51:00 p.m. EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    The counter suit the tobaco industry will file could very well bankrupt Ontario

  • At Tue Sep 29, 03:05:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Christian Conservative said…

    Sorry "Bert", it was an Anonymous poster who's name is also "bert" (small case "B")

    But he used some, shall we say, "un-blogamentary" language that I filtered out of his comment.

  • At Tue Sep 29, 03:31:00 p.m. EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I'm not a big fan of 'tax everything' McSlippery but I'm with him on this one.
    My father died a terrible death from a smoking related disease even though he had quit. But it was too late having been 'hooked' on it for many years.

  • At Tue Sep 29, 03:31:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Bert said…

    Gotcha, no prob's, man.

  • At Tue Sep 29, 04:15:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Christian Conservative said…

    From Anonymous:

    like some of the other posters above, I think this is a silly lawsuit. Government allows smoking to be legal and taxes the heck out of it, then turns around and sues them? Smoking is a filthy habit, but this is just liberal nonsense.

  • At Tue Sep 29, 04:16:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Christian Conservative said…

    As I've had several members of my own family get hooked on these things, one of them LONG before anyone realized the health implications of them, I'm sorry, but I'm a FULL SUPPORTER of anything we can do to put these guys out of business... FOR GOOD.

  • At Tue Sep 29, 04:17:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Christian Conservative said…

    (and most people think I'm a hard core right-winger... I'm a whole lot more Red Tory than most of you realize!)

  • At Tue Sep 29, 04:46:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Christian Conservative said…

    Comment from Anonymous:

    "...but I'm a FULL SUPPORTER of anything we can do to put these guys out of business... FOR GOOD."

    But if that was the motivation behind McWeasel's lawsuit, he would simply PROHIBIT the foul weed, instead of saying "gimme more money". In other words, he really doesn't give a darn about the 45000 Canadians who die every year from smoking, he just needs another source of cash so he can pad his flunkies' wallets.

    As an aside... WATCH THE LANGUAGE FOLKS!!! Man, I've had to filter more comments today than I have in months... say what you want to say, but keep the language PG!!!

  • At Tue Sep 29, 04:48:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Christian Conservative said…

    And just to clarify further, RELIGIOUS swear words (damn, Hell, God, Jesus, Jesus Christ, Lord, etc., used in their improper context) are GUARENTEED not to get past me!

    Come on... a Christian blog posting blasphemous words? I'm thinking no...

  • At Tue Sep 29, 04:58:00 p.m. EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    How does a Government sue a company for selling a product that they themselves have approved? Could they not now sue GM or Ford for CO2 pollution? This is not a rant against Liberal or Conservative Provincial governments, but, if your worried about health costs ban cigarettes, problem solved. If they win, can they now be sued for allowing them to be sold? They are cowards..plain and simple. billg

  • At Tue Sep 29, 07:03:00 p.m. EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    While we're at it, I suggest a lawsuit against all the fast food places, the confection manufacturers, the soft drink companies and the beer producers. A number of studies have concluded that obesity is a major factor in many chronic diseases such as diabetes, hypertension, and heart disease; to the point where surgeons in Calgary now charge extra for procedures carried out on obese people. These conditions, which are contributed to by the above mentioned product suppliers, are not only costly in the short term, but also on an ongoing basis.
    If you're going to penalize people for consuming legal substances then let's apply it equably across the board.

  • At Tue Sep 29, 08:04:00 p.m. EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    One question, how much money does Ontario collect in tobacco taxes? If they collect more than the PROVEN costs of tobacco use, then they have a slight chance of success. If, as I suspect, they collect at least as much as the health costs to the government, then the case should be tossed out of court.

    Regardless of your dislike for smoking, CC, it is vilely wrong to use the law to mandate morality.

  • At Tue Sep 29, 09:22:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger maryT said…

    I imagine he is using taxes from cigarettes to pay for this lawsuit. Who is he going to sue for the cost of aids.

  • At Tue Sep 29, 11:32:00 p.m. EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    This legislation and the methodology are garbage.

  • At Wed Sep 30, 11:03:00 a.m. EDT, Blogger Drew Costen said…

    And just to clarify further, RELIGIOUS swear words (damn, Hell, God, Jesus, Jesus Christ, Lord, etc., used in their improper context) are GUARENTEED not to get past me!

    Come on... a Christian blog posting blasphemous words? I'm thinking no...

    Like I've said before, not all Christians have the same opinions on everything.

    Not that I'm one of the people who you've had to censor, but as a Christian I have more of a problem with being against swearing than I have with swearing (actually, as a Christian I have no problem whatsoever with swearing, but I do have a problem with forbidding swearing).


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