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Saturday, January 23, 2010

Liberals and NDP takeover Prorogue rallies

So much for "non-partisan"... the Liberal Party and the NDP managed to takeover much of the agenda of KW's "Rally for Democracy" today, turning it into not much more than a "We Hate Harper" rally. And yes, I was there to see it all for myself.

Why don't we lead off with this little gem...
Yes, that's right, once again we see the left equates our Right Honourable Prime Minister with a mass-murdering Anti-Semite. And they think we're NUTS? And for the record, I didn't see ANYONE even trying to get that offensive sign taken down.

What's that? Accusing our troops of "War Crimes" again? Have you guys been talking to John MacCallum or something?


Notice the logo on her touque? That's right, we've got a Greenie!
An interesting and inadvertent little "poll" they conducted for me with this sign. In the hour or so I was there? Around 15-20 horns honked... TOTAL. And how many hundreds of cars do you figure pass through uptown Waterloo on a given Saturday?

Another "FASCISTS" slur... at least he's somewhat original with his baseless attack.


And we see the Dippers out in full force... there were a dozen or so of these signs floating around the crowd.


While the organizers did a half decent job of at least putting a venere of non-partisanship on the surface of things, it wasn't very thick, and didn't hold for very long. The various speakers were doing their best to attack all things Harper, on just about every issue. Basically, things turned into a partisan "Anyone But Harper" rally... with keynote speakers being none other than former MP's Karen Redman and Andrew Telegdi, of course!!! You'd almost think they were running for their old jobs again... oh wait, THEY ARE!!! Leave it to a Liberal to turn a "non-partisan" rally into a "VOTE FOR ME!!!" pitch. These two never miss an opportunity to get their faces in the media, they're lobbying HARD to get back into Parliament... so of COURSE they're going to jump on the chance to publicly bash the Government! They got their troops well organized for this event, it was interesting to be a "fly on the wall" and watch their interactions with the "grassroots" at the rally. Let's just say there were a LARGE number of card carrying members there.

Then we have the NDP... we had the "official" NDP signs in the crowd, and of course, we had the unions...
Here's your local NDP EDA showing up, banner in hand.

Get'em while they're young... what was it Comrade Lennin said about that? Oh yea, "Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever."

The good old UFCW, showed up of course.

And the Postal Workers... all loud and proud lefty-union types. I'm thinking they never were Harper fans in the first place...

The CAW and CUPE also showed up over at the Guelph rally, since we're talking about union involvement. The rally there was fairly small, and all the regulars from in town you'd expect to see were there... but I'd say there was no more than 120 there, which is pretty small considering the massive Liberal, NDP and Green base that you have in that lefty town.



Of course, there was one minor incident in KW where someone was trying to shout down one of the speakers, for something clearly inaccurate that they'd said about Trudeau... the speaker had said something about Trudeau having "respect for Parliament", what a LAUGH that was!!! Anyway, the organizers had him SHUT DOWN PRONTO, a couple of them went up to him right away and tried to get things diffused quickly. Cause you know, when you're at a "Rally for Democracy", you wouldn't want things to go off the pre-approved script or anything. Wanted to get a photo of the situation and some more info, but the gentleman didn't want that, so I'm respecting his wishes.

The organizers had also invited an independent candidate to give a few remarks... remember what I said about a "vener" of non-partisanship? Well his little talk, although intended to make things look non-partisan, actually blew the lid off that little sham. He's standing there making so very accurate remarks about the state of our democracy, taking to task not only the current Harper government, but also PREVIOUS Liberal governments... he took Trudeau to task once or twice as well. Anyway, the best way to describe the crowds reaction to him was... well, subdued. Polite applause here and there when he said something they really couldn't object to, and of course loud applause and cheering when he took a shot at Mr. Harper... but the rest of the time, when he was discussing some of the real issues related to our Parliamentary system, well... you could hear crickets. Guess he didn't know he was supposed to stick to the "All anti-Harper, All the Time" script. While I didn't agree with a lot of things he said, he was BY FAR the most honest and genuine of all the speakers there today. But by being genuinely "non-partisan", he helped expose the partisans for who they really were, and shredded any semblance of credibility the organizers of today's event had. And for that, I tip my hat to you sir! If anyone can get me his name, I'd appreciate it.

On top of the local parties and union support, you have the two Universities, Waterloo and Laurier, just a couple blocks up the road. Kinda makes it easy to boost your numbers when they're around. Overall I'd say there were about 300 some odd people there, but considering that they had weeks to get the word out, the combined resources of three political parties (Liberals, NDP, Greens) from three cities good sized cities (Kitchener, Waterloo and Cambridge, all 120,000+ EACH), along with the support of at least two unions, plus the student body of two major universities just blocks away, with GORGEOUS sunny weather at +1 degrees, I'd have to say that turnout wasn't all that good.

Compare today's rally with last year's anti-Coalition rally in KW... in a matter of days, they managed to pull out well over 120 people in -20 degree weather!!! Comparing apples to apples, today's rally was pretty much A FLOP.

So there you have it, that was my "non-partisan" take on the KW "Rally for Democracy". Hey, if those Libs, Greenies and Dippers can claim that they were being "non-partisan" today, why can't I?

Of course, I stand by my statement from the other week... it was a big mistake for the Liberals to fan the flames of this one. When they support our Throne Speech and Budget in March, a good number of the folks who attended today's rally are going to find a new scapegoat for their anger.

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34 Comments:

  • At Sat Jan 23, 03:37:00 PM EST, Blogger robins111 said…

    NDP rent-a-rally and the greenies.

    Should'nt they be off striking somewhere?

     
  • At Sat Jan 23, 03:40:00 PM EST, Blogger The_Iceman said…

    That's awesome! I'm heading to downtown Vancouver with my camera in about 20 minutes.

     
  • At Sat Jan 23, 03:42:00 PM EST, Blogger wilson said…

    Does this mean
    Libs will not be hiding in the hallways to avoid voting any more?
    Mr Iffy will have that demcratic leadership race, after all?

    nah

     
  • At Sat Jan 23, 03:48:00 PM EST, Blogger Simeon (Sam) George Drakich said…

    Like it was ever nonpartisan.

     
  • At Sat Jan 23, 03:52:00 PM EST, Anonymous Susaan said…

    Thank you very much for this timely event news.

    Except for Kady's place, it has been a bit difficult getting any news. Her lack of nuance/input not really up to her typical standard.


    Ottawa's event sounds very deadpan too. Mounties and Capstick both saying 3500, others saying 2500

    This was a fairly written piece from my impression.

     
  • At Sat Jan 23, 03:53:00 PM EST, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Perhaps if Harper weren't afraid to answer questions in Parliament we'd be able to get down to the truth about what has happened in Afghanistan.

    You'd better rush that guy in front of a piano. I was surprised he wasn't on the Haiti concert - bad strategy missing that one...

     
  • At Sat Jan 23, 04:00:00 PM EST, Blogger NeilD said…

    Hmmm, Trudeau.... wasn't he the one who put soldiers on the streets of our cities? Soldiers with guns!

     
  • At Sat Jan 23, 04:13:00 PM EST, Anonymous Sammy said…

    Thanks so much for your report! I was hoping someone honest would give us the real numbers.BTW,cbc reports that altho some twitter poster stated there were over 20,000 at the TO rally,police said 'about 2,00'..and just now,cbc reports that same twit posted there were about 15,000! Gee...who to believe?

     
  • At Sat Jan 23, 04:30:00 PM EST, Blogger Calgary Junkie said…

    "... it was a big mistake for the Liberals to fan the flames of this one. When they support our Throne Speech and Budget in March,..."

    My sentiments exactly. Lets fast forward to the budget vote, and contemplate what each of the Parties will do.

    My best guess is that the Bloc and Dippers will unanimously vote against. In fact, Jack and Gilles will probably be out the gate, 5 seconds after the budget becomes public, and give their thumbs down.

    And Iggy of course, will be last up. Humming and hawing about what the Lib MPs will do. Meanwhile, we all know what little control he has over his caucus. So they will take a day to debate into the wee hours.

    And emerge with what ??? All vote for, all vote against, or abstain. After all, it's a whipped vote, right ? Gee, what if they vote in different ways !!!

    Like I said, Donolo's head will explode, trying to craft spin lines to such a disunited, mushy, incomprehensible, weak voting outcome.

     
  • At Sat Jan 23, 04:46:00 PM EST, Blogger James Bow said…

    Didn't you catch the lengthy speech which criticized the Conservatives and the Liberals in equal measure for various moves centralizing power in the PMO and away from parliament?

    It almost seems like we were attending two different rallies. I did catch the "Stephen Hitler" sign, but he was one man among 300, a number of whom thought he was being a (forgive my language) dick (see http://canadiancynic.blogspot.com/2010/01/and-now-its-huether-time.html for an example). The "partisan" signs you spotted were practically invisible when I attended during the protest's height at noon, and again, those that did try to co-opt the rally for partisan gain were criticized by attendees -- at least on some of the blogs I read.

    Mind you, at events like these, it's sort of hard to avoid some partisan tint to the proceedings. If you care strongly about an issue that you join a political organization in order to bring your agenda about, does that make you partisan? And if it does, are you suddenly supposed to avoid non-partisan events which share your agenda, for fear of tainting said events as non-partisan?

    You can read my own take on the rally at http://bowjamesbow.ca/2010/01/23/make-perogies-n.shtml , and I've added your page to the summary of blog responses over at http://waterloowellingtonblogs.org/2010/01/day-of-action-against-prorogation-local-blog-response.shtml Enjoy!

     
  • At Sat Jan 23, 05:26:00 PM EST, Blogger Christian Conservative said…

    "Didn't you catch the lengthy speech which criticized the Conservatives and the Liberals in equal measure for various moves centralizing power in the PMO and away from parliament?"

    That was the Independent guy who got only modest applause. Glad to hear I was the only one who was listening to him! ;-)

     
  • At Sat Jan 23, 05:40:00 PM EST, Blogger wilson said…

    Mr Iffy has had his team working on an election platform for a year,
    I'm thinkin' they are ready,
    and PMSH get's his election in April.

    All this 'no election' talk, thinkers conference,
    is sandbagging. imo

    Get ready to roll against the coalition, in April 2010...

     
  • At Sat Jan 23, 06:10:00 PM EST, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I'm no leftist but I need to address you argument with a qurestion to you: Why is it wrong for any Canadians to speak their mind on government issues in a public place? Why can't they express freedom of speech?

    You seem very angry only because these people are protesting against Harper, whom you clearly support as a conservative. Just because they disagree with you and happen to belong to some other groups, does that make their stand less valuable than yours? I hope not. If so, then they are 100% correct in their complaints about the conservatives.

    Would you make the same argument if a few thousand conservatives showed up to protest some other issue of importance to them?

     
  • At Sat Jan 23, 06:34:00 PM EST, Blogger Milan said…

  • At Sat Jan 23, 07:00:00 PM EST, Blogger Top Can Inc. said…

    You know, usually I'm really civil with you, but you're really getting on my nerves. You sound like you're the only one who went to a rally, so therefore your opinion must be correct. I was also at a rally, the one in Toronto, and there must be have been over 1000 people. The only reason there wasn't more was because there wasn't enough room on Yonge Dundas Square, so people were hanging on the outer streets listening.

    Most of the speakers were okay. There were the Raging Grannies, a comedian as MC, Duff Conacher from Democracy Watch and John Cartwright. Unfortunately, there was one person from the unions who said her preferred government was an NDP government, but besides that bit of partisan hackery, I didn't hear anything else that gave the indication the Liberals and the NDP organized this. I saw Gerard Kennedy and Omar Alghabra in the crowd, but I didn't hear them speak so they must have tucked their tails between their legs and ran, because they figured out this thing was bigger than them.

    As for signage, there was stuff about torture and a lot of crazy stuff there, but nothing overtly offensive. My only concern were having a group called the Socialist Workers distributing flyers and one old man calling for a Republic of Canada. No Nazi salutes in Toronto, I'm afraid.

    On my final point, you did mention that today is Harper's fourth year anniversary as Prime Minister. I'd like to see Harper lovers organize rallies across the country to celebrate that occassion. Good luck getting people to even bother clicking the "join" button on FB.

     
  • At Sat Jan 23, 08:29:00 PM EST, Blogger Alberta Girl said…

    So - some of the commenters here feel it is fine to express themselves with freedom of speech.

    I agree.

    But Freedom of Speech by calling our prime minister Hitler or as committing war crimes.

    That is so blatantly untrue and to even equate that to "freedom of speech" tells me that they do not know the meaning of that phrase.

     
  • At Sat Jan 23, 08:43:00 PM EST, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I was at Flaherty's office for the rally and it was great. Can't Conservatives stand up for democracy and admit that prorogation was at best an unwise calculation of the mood of Canadians and at its worst, a blow to parliamentary democracy. As for the Hilter signs, I heard that there were some Conservative plants infiltrating crowds with crazy signs so as to discredit the reasonable Canadians exercising their rights of assembly and expression. There is room in our great country for everyone's views and opinons. No need to get so nasty. Our parliament was shut down. We would be sheep not to rise up and express our displeasure.

     
  • At Sat Jan 23, 08:48:00 PM EST, Blogger sassy said…

    Good to see that you attended a CAPP rally, to voice your displeasure with the current gov. Well done.

     
  • At Sat Jan 23, 08:52:00 PM EST, Blogger CK said…

    At the very least, in Montreal, we did invite Conservative MPs and senators. We would have had one even speak alongside the other speakers if they wanted. They chose not to answer us.

    Non-Partisan? I would say more multi-partisan as different groups and parties were represented and all who were invited to and accepted to speak got equal air time.

    your boss has not given Canadians a good reason to prorogue.

     
  • At Sat Jan 23, 08:54:00 PM EST, Blogger Top Can Inc. said…

    One more thing, and this in a response to Anon @ 10:00's comment. You just posted about the 4th anniversary of Harper's prime ministership and the next post was abot how political the rallies became. So what, you get to be politically supportive of Harper, but when others are politically against him somehow that's either unpatriotic or wrong?

    Just because people are political doesn't mean they aren't concerned Canadians worried about their democratic institutions. Last I checked, Liberals, NDP and Consevative MPs and supporters are still Canadian citizens (well, most supporters are citizens). Don't they have a right to voice their opinion? And so what if, for example, Telegdi and Redman came to the rally to try to shore up votes? You think Gary Goodyear and Peter Braid wouldn't have tried the same thing under similar circumstances?

     
  • At Sat Jan 23, 09:43:00 PM EST, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I wonder if people in Iran were holding candlelight vigils for the suffering souls in Canada...

     
  • At Sun Jan 24, 08:57:00 AM EST, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Thanks for the laugh! Please do a pro prorogue gathering.

     
  • At Sun Jan 24, 10:24:00 AM EST, Blogger Alberta Girl said…

    "your boss has not given Canadians a good reason to prorogue"

    See, here's the thing, it wouldn't matter what his "reason" was. The left would still complain.

    Freedom of speech my a$$.. this was Harper Haters out in force to complain about everything and anything.

    Face it people - it was a bust no matter how you slice it....25000 people across the country - many of those union people who come out with their professional signs - is a drop in the bucket given the amount of attention and media encouragement.

    NO ONE CARES!!!

     
  • At Sun Jan 24, 11:16:00 AM EST, Blogger Scott Tribe said…

    I understand from some of my friends/folks in Guelph who saw you up there CC that you left before the Guelph rally had even started.. so we're all not sure where you came up with your 120 persons figure for Guelph.

    Heck, in this picture alone of the rally, that looks more then 120 protesters to me. (The official crowd estimate was between 400 - 700 I understand).

    If you'd care to revise your estimate, now's your chance.

     
  • At Sun Jan 24, 11:24:00 AM EST, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    "One more thing, and this in a response to Anon @ 10:00's comment. You just posted about the 4th anniversary of Harper's prime ministership and the next post was abot how political the rallies became. So what, you get to be politically supportive of Harper, but when others are politically against him somehow that's either unpatriotic or wrong?

    Just because people are political doesn't mean they aren't concerned Canadians worried about their democratic institutions. Last I checked, Liberals, NDP and Consevative MPs and supporters are still Canadian citizens (well, most supporters are citizens). Don't they have a right to voice their opinion? And so what if, for example, Telegdi and Redman came to the rally to try to shore up votes? You think Gary Goodyear and Peter Braid wouldn't have tried the same thing under similar circumstances?"
    QFT. That guy ripped you apart.

    Conservative hypocrite douchebags.
    Just keep on straw-manning our rallies w/ pointless trivialities because our cause is righteous and your Adolf Harper is a corrupt crone.

    Sorry you have no better argument than "Oh your protesters are young and are affiliated with a political background."

    Lol, i smell jealousy. Everyone knows conservative's just collect the old, confused, scared and jaded for support. No passionate youth for you evil toads!

     
  • At Sun Jan 24, 02:59:00 PM EST, Blogger Dylan said…

    What a gem!

    Your comparison to the meager anti-Coalition rally is barely apples and apples.

    Furthermore, I didn't hear you speak up, CC. Why didn't you heckle? Hey' we were all down for some debate and Braid didn't show up. Woodworth didn't show up. Albrecht didn't show up.

    But you were there. Why didn't you stand up for your boys? Furthermore why didn't you join the moron who was screaming at Redman and Telegdi. Yeah, I was standing in his zone and overheard the whole sitch - he's not a conservative. In fact, he admitted to being displeased with all parties equally. So, that's one point for the pro-prorogation crowd from an angry non-partisan who isn't even really pro-prorogation.

    The K-W Anti-Torture group isn't "anti-soldiers" nor are they calling Canadian troops war criminals and you know it.

    I guess a symptom of having a rubbery spine is also the inability to distinguish calling an action torture and accusing our troops as torturers.

    At the next CAPP rally, look me up. I'd be happy to give you a tour of reality.

     
  • At Mon Jan 25, 09:15:00 AM EST, Blogger Christian Conservative said…

    Scott, NO WAY was the crowd anywhere near 400, even from your pics. Doesn't look all that much bigger than when I left, I'd give you 200, TOPS... and that's GENEROUS.

     
  • At Wed Jan 27, 02:45:00 PM EST, Blogger James Bow said…

    CC, I watched the crowd for much of the protest from across the street in the toy store, and I could see that there was a significant turnover of people leaving around noon and people arriving.

    The square itself can't hold more than 300 people I estimate, and it was mostly full. The turnover is how the Waterloo Record estimates 500.

     
  • At Wed Jan 27, 02:48:00 PM EST, Blogger Christian Conservative said…

    That makes some sense James, thanks for sharing that. I naturally did a rough headcount when I arrived around 12:15, and didn't notice any significant influx of folks to consider doing another headcount.

     
  • At Fri Jan 29, 12:47:00 PM EST, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Go back to the UFCW pic, the taller guy with the glasses...

    I knew him through the Clifford Evans Training Centre, in Puslinch, when I was taking courses there.

    I just felt the need to share

    Mike Wisniewski

     
  • At Fri Jan 29, 03:43:00 PM EST, Blogger BoredomCorner said…

    Leave it to a conservative fundy to 1) think that criticizing Harper is criticizing the troops (news flash: it's not), and 2) to think that extreme right-wing policies AREN'T fascism (I know you guys aren't big on facts, but read a dictionary instead of makings asses of yourselves).

    Besides, a hardline conservative who moderates his comments, has no right to claim he stands for free speech.

     
  • At Fri Jan 29, 04:01:00 PM EST, Blogger Christian Conservative said…

    Couple of newsflashes back:

    1) Accusations that "war crimes" are being committed in Afghanistan logically means that our troops are engaged in illegal practices. Do you concur with those accusations?

    2) You're only paritally right... while EXTREME right-wing MAY lead to Facist-like governance, it is not necessarily so. And by using the term "Facist", you're dishonestly attempting to link our current government to the Nazis and their despicable policy of racial genocide. Be honest... that IS what you guys are trying to imply when you use that word, isn't it? Isn't it? What about the words, "racist", "bigot", and all those other catchwords you like to fling in our direction? Words which, by the way, can't be applied to me in any way, shape, or form... though that's never stopped you guys in the past.

    Furthermore, I never said I was a "free-speecher"... I support reform, not abolishment, of Section 13. Check my record on that one. For the record, I mostly filter my comments for just a few reasons: 1) to block swearing and blasphemy, 2) to prevent lefists from using my site to further their agenda (discussion is welcome, spamming/swarming is not), 3) to help ensure that my site doesn't get blocked by various web filtration systems, and 4) to limit my own personal liability for things said here.

    As you'll notice, I have no problem posting your comment... however distasteful and personally attacking it may be.

     
  • At Sat Apr 03, 09:14:00 PM EDT, Blogger Andrew said…

    "Get'em while they're young... what was it Comrade Lennin said about that? Oh yea, "Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever.""

    So I will assume that your church turns away all children??

    Or maybe your church teaches kids that Christianity is an opinion and that each person is free to believe what they want?

    If not, than... Get'em while they're young... what was it Comrade Lennin said about that? Oh yea, "Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever."

     
  • At Sat Apr 03, 09:43:00 PM EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    There is a good chance the person with the Stephen Hitler sign is a Harper supporter attemting to discredit this rally.

     

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