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Tuesday, May 01, 2007

Does Dion support May's Nazi statement?

According to Ms. May, Prime Minister Harper, in his actions relating to the environment, has committed "a grievance worse than Neville Chamberlain's appeasement of the Nazis".

Wow. The Leader of the Green Party, (who is officially supported by the Liberal Party of Canada), said that Mr. Harper's actions are worse than the actions that resulted in the murder of six million Jews, and countless millions more around the globe. Not good, considering the Liberal Party has been trying to repair its relationship with the Jewish community.

True, that's not exactly what she said, but take her statement to it's logical conclusion... Neville Chamberlain was one of the men responsible for appeasing the Nazi's in 1938... which allowed them to continue their reign of terror... which ultimately resulted in the deaths of millions of people around the world, including six million Jews, through a sustained campaign of genocidal extermination.

So, I ask Ms. May... do you still think that the Mr. Harper's actions are worse than Mr. Chamberlain's?

And while we're at it, I ask you, Mr. Dion, since you're such a staunch supporter of Ms. May, what do you think of her statement?

The Liberals have one saving grace... sort of. London MP Glen Pearson, who invited Ms. May to speak to the congregation, was smart enough not to defend her comments...
"However, Mr. Pearson said yesterday that he was not comfortable with Ms. May's Nazis analogy and he believed it perhaps crossed the line for proper discourse in a church.

"Canadians need to get more serious about it, but the whole link to the Nazis over that went beyond the pale, for me. You have to be careful there. We have all messed up on the environment, right?" Mr. Pearson said.

"I just didn't think that analogy was probably the best one that could have been used."

For a more detailed breakdown of her statement, take a look at Janke's post.

(and to those who think I'm taking things to the extreme... what would the media be saying if this was a Tory candidate?)

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  • At Tue. May 01, 05:01:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Platty said…

    crossed the line for proper discourse in a church.

    In a church? How about, ANYWHERE!!

  • At Tue. May 01, 06:21:00 p.m. EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    So small. Compared to the devastation our grandchildren and their grandchildren will have to deal will if we don't start now, to be upset at what a few talking heads say and where they say it is small and foolish.

    Think. Do you and your wife have kids, or want to have kids? What sort of world do you want to leave them? It is up to you, not the libs, or the greens or the cons or whoever.

    Bairds program is a joke. It's set up for the oil companies and sands to continue to grow and for the economy, therefore the people will be comfortable, therefore they will be voted in again. Power, that's all. They all do it. Politics is power, not much else.

    Have you looked into the SPP? I suggest you do. Or TILMA. More power, that is not discussed with the people. Bring that up in church and how these things will affect your children and the quality of their lives and yours.

    It's all so much more important that what one tired woman says in a building. By the by, the church around the corner from my place is now a corner store. Is it still a special place? I guess not. You should hear some of the language heard in there.

  • At Tue. May 01, 06:37:00 p.m. EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    does it matter?
    OTTAWA (CP) - Stephen Harper's Conservatives have squandered their sizeable lead and are now statistically tied with the Liberals after weeks stumbles, a new poll suggests.

    The Decima poll, provided exclusively to The Canadian Press, indicates the Tories have slipped to 30 per cent - putting them in a statistical tie with the Liberals who rose two points to 31 per cen

  • At Tue. May 01, 07:47:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Platty said…

    What is so small anon, is the effect that humans have on climate change. Do not be so arrogant to think that we will be able to control the changing climate. It's been going on for eons and will continue to cycle, no matter what you may do.

    As for Bairds plan being a joke, compared to what?? The previous governments action on the environment. Right, Dion had some great meetings......

    That would be a Decima Poll there anon, wait for a couple other polls to come out, you will see that Decima is alone with these numbers.


  • At Tue. May 01, 08:25:00 p.m. EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    What is small is the partisan bickering. Baird's plan is a joke. Why will he not bring bill 30 to the house? what is he afraid of.

    Who cares what the previous gov did or didn't do. History. What matters is what is going to happen now and in the very near future. What are we giving our kids.

    We have to try. Us and the rest of the world. Are we so arrogant that we will go along with the cons and duck our responsibilities ala the USA has done up to this point? All in the name of big oil?

    Get real!

    Only poll that matters is election day.

  • At Tue. May 01, 09:21:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger jeff davidson said…

    dion didn't say it, elizabeth may said it.

    dion said she was wrong to say what he, himself, never said.

    end of story.

    just wait until super mario starts up the his unique brand of nonsense...

  • At Tue. May 01, 10:52:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Dirk said…

    May said something she really shouldn't have. To repeat what many others have said elsewhere, we see this kind of discourse regularly today: witness how Conservative MPs have been labeling anyone critical of the government's handling of the Afghan prisoner torture file as being Taliban sympathizers.

    "(and to those who think I'm taking things to the extreme... what would the media be saying if this was a Tory candidate?)"

    Tell me Andrew, why aren't the media more critical of Conservative MPs who accuse opposition MPs of being Taliban (ie. mass murdering, terrorists) sympathizers?

  • At Tue. May 01, 11:31:00 p.m. EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Statement from Elizabeth May: clarification of misconceptions surrounding recent comments

    Go ahead and check it out. It makes a whole lot more sense than Janke's rambling history lesson. And yes I was born in NS. While technically correct it has nothing to do with anything. I think he likes to read those alternative history books you find in the sci fi section.

    The Nazi angle is what everyone glombs onto to. Try the Chamberlin angle and look to the future instead of simple having offended feelings.

    I'm a Jew, I get it. Why does everyone else have so much trouble? Including the CJC?

    Platty, are you a denier? Are you so sure? Are you willing to bet your children's and your grandchildren's lives on it? To the point that you would not be willing to make even small changes?

  • At Tue. May 01, 11:56:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger John said…

    First they call him a Nazi, then they call him a Chamberlain. Can't the left make up their minds.

  • At Wed. May 02, 03:38:00 a.m. EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said…


    Everyone loves to glom on to "Nazi" it sells more papers and it's way easier to misconstrue. And it's not a him it's a her, Elizabeth May. And she is not either. But she was referring to Harper's selling out of Kyoto to Chamberlynn's selling out. As a very very big deal.

    Why does no one want to stay on topic. It's only the future at stake. And now we are coming up on two more years wasted.

    Well, maybe that's not fair. I know of more and more people who are taking personal responsibility, trying to do what they can in small ways. Adding new ways as they go along. Teaching their kids. The kids teaching them! Not scary, not painful. Step by step.

    This is what the people want. The government ignores them at it's peril.

    I have written them. Both my MP and others, all parties. I get both nice letters back and boiler plate. Why do I get nothing, not even boiler plate response from the CPC, and my own MP?

  • At Wed. May 02, 10:46:00 a.m. EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    dirk...interesting question...I am wondering why the media didn't make a bigger deal of the Lib MP's (Denis Coderre and others)that attended a pro-Hizbollah rally in the fall.If it wasn't for blogs we wouldn't know they were there.Maybe that's why they have been labelled 'supporters of terrorist' by others in the HoC.
    Quite different than Lizzie's lame ananlogy.

  • At Wed. May 02, 10:47:00 a.m. EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    sp 'analogy'

  • At Wed. May 02, 11:09:00 a.m. EDT, Blogger Christian Conservative said…

    For the record, the Liberals have earned the "supporters of terrorists" label because of their refusal to deal with people in their party who are connected to terrorist groups or who make terrorist-like statements.

    I'll give you a few examples...

    1) MP Dennis Coderre at a Hezbolah rally... still no statement about that

    2) Liberals voting down the anti-terror clauses

    3) Edmonton candidate Farhan Chak has still not been kicked out of the Party for his blatantly anti-Israel comments

    4) the Liberals refused to add the Tamil Tigers to Canada's list of illegal terrorist groups (the Tories did soon after taking office)

    5) the Liberals demanding troops be withdrawn by 2009, which MAY, if the job is not done, allow the Taliban to return and continue their repression of women

    Would you like me to go on?

  • At Fri. May 04, 01:10:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger JimBobby said…

    "...said that Mr. Harper's actions are worse than the actions that resulted in the murder of six million Jews, and countless millions more around the globe."

    Are you saying that Neville Chamberlain is responsible for all the deaths of WW2? Sure sounds that way. I've never heard anyone accuse Chamberlain of that before.

    When Chamberlain appeased, the world was blissfully unaware of the final solution. Hindsight, of course, is 20-20. Chamberlain's appeasement had to do with German territorial aggression. Years later, the world got to see what Hitler was up to but in 1936, mass extermination was not known.

    BTW, didn't Jason Kenney meet with some terrorist group? Has the CPoC dealt with him about it?

    Hamid Karzai recently confirmed he has been holding secret meetings with the Taliban. Our government is fully supportive of Karzai to the poiint that we are willing to have our sons and daughters die for his regime. Our leaders are willing to take Taliban Karzai's word that his people do not torture.

    The Islamic Republic of Afghanistan's brand new constitution allows the death penalty for Muslims who convert to Christianity. Yet, Harper continues to support this guy and the Islamic, warlord-run narco-state. Strange.



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