Christian Conservative Christian "Independent"

I'm an evangelical Christian, member of the CPC, but presently & unjustly exiled to wander the political wilderness.
All opinions expressed here are solely my own.

Saturday, December 02, 2006

Stephane can't win

Remember... "Stephane" was just the alter-ego of a geek. ;-)

Kidding. Seriously, I don't think that Dion will be able to beat our Right Honourable Stephen Joseph Harper. Starbucks vs. Tim Hortons. The cerebral professor against a (more) regular Joe Canadian. The one trick pony (Kyoto) toe to toe with the jack-of-all-trades economist.

People are going to care more about jobs than the environment, mark my words. The contrast will be made, that the only way to keep our Liberal Kyoto commitments will be to cut off the head of our economic engine, Alberta... the only part of the economy that's keeping our nation afloat right now.

And if Dion wins? No problem... it will be a short-lived win. Believe me... the unemployed masses will see to that.


  • At Sat. Dec. 02, 06:55:00 p.m. EST, Blogger vicki said…

    Alberta...yes the other leadership campaign...who knew (unless you were reading blogs) that there is a very important vote going on in Western CANADA today.
    CC ...very humble in your admission that you were right about Dion...I think it says alot about the Lib party being the same old. Iggy and Rae seemed to be front runners...until Martin's backroom boys got involved.(source..Tyee, via SDA)
    It doesn't matter who took it today...check out the Global TV poll...

  • At Sat. Dec. 02, 07:38:00 p.m. EST, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Starbucks vs. Tim Hortons, eh? That's a fair comparison. The majority of people go for Timmy's more often than they go for Starbucks.

    And you think people care more about jobs than the environment? If that's true, it's a sad state of affairs that money comes before the preciousness of Creation. Fortunately, I think Canadians are far more concerned about the environment than you think.

  • At Sat. Dec. 02, 08:08:00 p.m. EST, Anonymous ryan said…

    Sure Canadian's care a lot about the environment, as they should. As Christian's should. But most aren't willing to sacrifice their livelyhood's or the well-being of their families upon the ulter of "environmentalism".

  • At Sat. Dec. 02, 09:20:00 p.m. EST, Blogger Dirk said…

    Lots to take issue with here... first of all, enough with the "I called it" stuff. As I recall, you called other things as well that didn't quite pan out.

    "Starbucks vs. Tim Hortons"...
    I assume you're saying Dion is Starbucks and Harper is Tims? I'm really not seeing this Harper as the "Tim Horton's PM" thing. Even if MacLeans published it, it doesn't make it true. How many economist policy wonks can you really say are working-class everymen types? I'd say Haper and Dion have more in common than your analogy suggests. They're both hard-working, and both are serious about policy. But neither fits with either the Starbucks or Tim Hortons labels.

    "one trick pony"
    This is a bizarre one. You're forgetting about Dion's years as a gadfly against the separatist movement. Dion was huge here. And this goes way beyond the Clarity Act. Yes, I'm sure you're itching to mention that Harper thought of this -- which is partially true: Manning had lots to do with this as well, not to mention the party that actually put pen to paper with this act and passed it.

    "People are going to care more about jobs than the environment"
    You may care more about jobs than the welfare of our environment, but poll after poll is showing that the environment is the top concern for Canadians. Unemployment rates are still very low, so I'm not seeing your point about voters being scared about their jobs when it comes to voting Liberal. This is not to mention the other Western countries whose economies are fine, all the while they've met their Kyoto commitments.

  • At Sat. Dec. 02, 10:16:00 p.m. EST, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Tim Hortons is Stephane Dion, I mean.

  • At Sun. Dec. 03, 09:10:00 a.m. EST, Anonymous ryan said…

    “Two kinds of men generally best succeed in political life; men of no principle, but of great talent; and men of no talent, but of one principle - that of obedience to their superiors.” ~ Wendell Phillips

    Kinda describes Liberal ideology to a tee doesn't it?

  • At Sun. Dec. 03, 12:34:00 p.m. EST, Blogger Dirk said…

    That quote has nothing to do with ideology. For that matter, I also don't see what it has to do with Dion.

  • At Sun. Dec. 03, 04:52:00 p.m. EST, Blogger Christian Conservative said…

    Okay, reply time...

    "As I recall, you called other things as well that didn't quite pan out." True enough, but the end outcome was indeed correct.

    I'm really not seeing this Harper as the "Tim Horton's PM" thing. Actually, I think it may have been Warren that started the comparison, and MacLean's picked up on it. It's more a comparison of the "elitist Starbucks Liberal" vs. "Regular Joe Tim Horton's". Warren made the observation in December of last year, during the campaign. He said "At one of my kids hockey practices, I saw parents with Tim Horton's and Coffee Time... at the other, I saw mostly Starbucks. This election, the Tim Horton's and Coffee Time parents are going to gang up on the Starbucks parents." Exactly what happened... Tim's being CPC, Starbucks being Libs, and Coffee Time being NDP. (fairly accurate assesment of each chain's clientelle, from my chair)

    I'd say Haper and Dion have more in common than your analogy suggests. I actually agree with you here, but I'm betting that in the ensuing election, that sort of comparison will be made.

    "one trick pony" Just repeating some of the commentary already out there. Most people don't know anything about Dion beyond Kyoto, and at that, his record was fairly dismall. (not all his fault, blame his bosses... but it will be laid at his feet)

    You may care more about jobs than the welfare of our environment, but poll after poll is showing that the environment is the top concern for Canadians. It is indeed a concern for me... but Kyoto isn't. I'm hoping that the next campaign we'll be able to more clearly articulate our views and sell them to Canadians, rather than having them believe the same lines (or lies) that the Liberals have been feeding them for years. (referring to their lies about our views on the Enviornment)

    As for my comment about jobs, all I'm saying is that when Canadians face the reality that implementing Kyoto on the timelines being proposed by the Liberals will grind our economy to a halt, they will stop and say "Hang on a sec!" and won't support the Liberals. Then we can start discussing REALISTIC timelines, and come up with a implentable plan. (somewhere between Kyoto and our Clean Air Act)

    Fire away.

  • At Mon. Dec. 04, 02:57:00 a.m. EST, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I'm flattered that you would call my province the "economic engine." Very nice. :-)

    I think Dion's victory is a huge victory for Harper. Reports out here have many Liberals getting up and walking out during his speech. Neither the Cretien backers, nor the Martin backers were helping him, so I foresee a poorly funded, poorly organized caucus under a leader who is nothing more then a scapegoat for the upcoming Harper majority. After that happens, he'll be replaced by one of the big dog Liberals who didn't bother running this time, and the battle will actually ensue.

    Till then...I'm pretty sure it's a party at Conservative headquarters.

    It sure was here in Alberta!!!


  • At Mon. Dec. 04, 08:40:00 a.m. EST, Anonymous ryan said…

    According to CTV and the Globe & Mail's strategic counsel poll 55% of Canadian's think Dion was a good choice, and 37% say they will vote Liberal in the next election.

    Are you kidding me? I doubt very much that 55% of Canadians have any idea who Stephane Diion is. And why are soooo many people prepared to vote Liberal again? According to the same poll 37% of people survey say they will vote Liberal. The Conservatives haven't really done anything all that controversial, they've just been governing extremly effectively.

    But, at the same time that these polls show an edge for the Liberals, PM Harper's approval rating sits at 56%!

    Arrgh, polls, what are they good for?

  • At Tue. Dec. 05, 03:07:00 p.m. EST, Anonymous Anonymous said…


    What good are polls for? I believe the late John Diefenbaker more than once said that dogs know exactly what polls (poles?) are good for.

    Brian in Calgary


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