My thoughts on the Canadian "Tea Party"
Some people have been wondering what I think about the various pushes coming from some who want to push our conservative parties further to the right. From them, we get garbage like this... "Eastern Ontario feud troubles Tories".
Way to go... moron. Thanks for giving the Liberals more ammunition, morons. Now do us all a favour, AND SHUT UP, all of you whiners.
Everyone knows here I was no big fan of John Tory and his wishy-washy crew. Likewise, nor am I a fan of the Hillier/Reid types who are hurting the Ontario PC Party with their efforts to shove out MPP's who aren't "ideologically pure" enough for them. Who on earth made THEM the deciders of what is "conservative"? I know a couple other people, who I USED to respect, who have jumped the CPC ship recently because Harper isn't "conservative enough" for them. Good riddance, "M".
I'm sick and tired of people who are so short sighted, who demand everything they want NOW, and who only cripple our movement by their actions, and hand power to the Liberals. Idiots.
Here's hoping the New Year brings some "common sense" into our movement... and I'm talking about party untity and discipline, not the "ideological purity" being demanded by these nutjobs.
Way to go... moron. Thanks for giving the Liberals more ammunition, morons. Now do us all a favour, AND SHUT UP, all of you whiners.
Everyone knows here I was no big fan of John Tory and his wishy-washy crew. Likewise, nor am I a fan of the Hillier/Reid types who are hurting the Ontario PC Party with their efforts to shove out MPP's who aren't "ideologically pure" enough for them. Who on earth made THEM the deciders of what is "conservative"? I know a couple other people, who I USED to respect, who have jumped the CPC ship recently because Harper isn't "conservative enough" for them. Good riddance, "M".
I'm sick and tired of people who are so short sighted, who demand everything they want NOW, and who only cripple our movement by their actions, and hand power to the Liberals. Idiots.
Here's hoping the New Year brings some "common sense" into our movement... and I'm talking about party untity and discipline, not the "ideological purity" being demanded by these nutjobs.
posted by Christian Conservative @ 2:10 p.m.
16 Comments:
At Mon Dec 27, 02:37:00 p.m. EST,
Suzanne said…
The point of being a conservative party is to be conservative.
It's the party's job to listen to the base, not the other way around.
If people are jumping your party because it's not ideologically pure enough, it probably represents a problem with the party, not the people.
At Mon Dec 27, 03:08:00 p.m. EST,
The Grey Lady said…
Ummm darlin you sound like one of those abused women that takes it from her man because by golly he promised once the conditions were right he was gonna stop slapping the crap out of her and start acting like a real man should.
He is what his deeds prove he is, not what his or your words wish he was. Harper may have started off as so called conservative but he has prostituted his, yours and my principles in a vain attempt to be more palatable for the people and stay in power. The only thing he has managed to do is keep another slightly more dreadful party out of the drivers seat.
But that don't make him a conservative in any way shape or form....
At Mon Dec 27, 03:24:00 p.m. EST,
Joe said…
Well said. I too have no use for those whose conservative purity is code for vote liberal.
At Mon Dec 27, 03:26:00 p.m. EST,
CanadianSense said…
I don't get it either. The middle is where the votes are. Nothing radical in reducing waste and ineffective programs from our Federal Government.
We don't need to make drastic cuts to generate a fake Federal balanced budget again.
I prefer our military to have modern equipment. Our NGO's to have money to help women and children in the poorest countries.
I won't miss the champagne parties photo ops of the Liberals pretending action in helping the poor and most vulnerable.
We don't need more talk, we need real concrete action.
Our PM and his government is doing a great job in comparison to the Liberals led by Chretien-Martin.
The media has destroyed itself by pushing every fake scandal in the book against this government.
Desperate times for desperate people as their funding is cut.
Keep up the good fight.
At Mon Dec 27, 04:55:00 p.m. EST,
Unknown said…
Reid and Hillier are both my MP and MPP. Being a rural resident I continue to appreciate the work they do for my riding. There are many challenges faced by rural ,but highly taxed and regulated residents ,that rarely have a voice in either parliament.
The Ottawa Citizen is no friend to any conservative therefore I read the article with some skeptisim. I agree a united front is critical to long term success. However that you chose to call fellow conservatives morons,whiners,idiots and to "Shut-up" may highlight a problem not with the "tea-party"types but with another faction of the party?
At Mon Dec 27, 04:55:00 p.m. EST,
Ray K. said…
Yes, never forget that what is important is to cheer for the right sweater.
At Mon Dec 27, 07:05:00 p.m. EST,
bertie said…
Amen to that CC...Too many Conservatives print things without thinking.There is no perfect solution to please everyone,but there is certainly a big difference between Liberal scandals and Conservative NO SCANDALS..Liberal lies like the RED BOOK and getting rid of the GST and provincially McGuinty,s signing on Television a promise not to raise taxes,then raising health care premiums 100 dollars a month soon as he was elected.You just cannot trust LIBERALS to keep a promise.If those are the values these mouthy Conservatives want,then they are not wanted in the Conservative party.I will vote for honesty everyday,and if PM Harper makes mistakes once in awhile,so be it,just as long as he doing his best for Canada,that is good enough for me.Liberals do what is good for Liberals,not what is good for Canada.
At Mon Dec 27, 07:50:00 p.m. EST,
Anonymous said…
You are not very charitable for a christian. You are not democratic or supportive of free speech...that is very conservative.
I guess you are 90% conservative party partisan and 10% Christian.
I am shocked at your intolerance and that there is only one conservative view and not a spectrum. What is the matter with you?
At Mon Dec 27, 10:38:00 p.m. EST,
Anonymous said…
LOL you removed my comment. You're a loser. You only want to hear your viewpoint. You have a problem working with others don't you.
At Mon Dec 27, 10:55:00 p.m. EST,
Christian Conservative said…
Actually, Anon@10:38, as for why you didn't see your comment until now, it's because I was doing something commonly know as "having a life".
At Mon Dec 27, 11:05:00 p.m. EST,
Christian Conservative said…
To the haters, you've completely missed my point... I LOVE having these sorts of debates WITHIN THE TENT, discussions on ideology, strategy, etc... what I have no time for are the folks who demand that the various party's MUST do things their way, or they won't support the party, even when we're in a freaking minority situation. They simply don't have a clue about how the "real world" works, and so they air all the dirty laundry out in public, simply beause they don't feel like their POV is being listened to.
What people don't realize is that I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. Clue in folks... I'm a SoCon, HARD CORE. Do you see me turning my back on the Party just because they're not pushing my agenda in the direction I want them too? No. Why? Because I know that overall, the country will be better off with the CPC and the ONPC's at the helm. If I demand that they push forward with my ideological views REGARDLESS of the consequences, then the Party will likely get killed by Opposition spin, and we'll lose some measure of the power we currently have, and that will impact the nation negatively.
Bottom line... pragmatism. Maintaining power so that we can GRADUALLY make the changes our nation needs after decades of Liberal neglect and abuse. Recognizing that while they don't reflect all of my ideological goals, they're certainly MUCH better than the other guys. And then working from within to try and ensure the voices of Canadians who view the world as I do are heard, and not ignored.
So, I say again to the haters... SHUT UP. Keep it in the family, and GET INVOLVED to make things better, don't snipe from the sidelines. We already have enough people doing that... they're called Liberals.
At Tue Dec 28, 09:09:00 a.m. EST,
The Grey Lady said…
Sorry CC But i would rather be on the outside looking in then whore my principles for powers sake alone. Like I posted earlier their is no dignity in staying with an abuser just because they don't punch you in face as hard as the last guy. The point is to find someone who ACTUALLY does what you need not just make noises, vague promises of the future.
At Tue Dec 28, 09:57:00 a.m. EST,
Anonymous said…
i am a very conservative Christian. if you do not believe in smaller government you are not a conservative. not once in my life have conservatives reduced the size of goverment or reduced actual spending. not once have the regulations that stifle business been reduced. not once has the steady erosion of individual freedom been reduced. most posters at this blog are not conservative.
At Tue Dec 28, 12:41:00 p.m. EST,
CanadianSense said…
Stephen Harper entered Canada's 40th general election by softening his rough edges and promising sensible government. Yet his opponents continue to speak of his hidden agenda. The truth is, Mr. Harper does have a hidden agenda. But it is pragmatic, not ideological. Having learned the lessons of history, he is positioning the Tory party not to win just this election but many others to come. By leading a centrist government that is in touch with the hearts and minds of ordinary Canadians, Mr. Harper intends to achieve a dynasty not seen in Tory circles since Sir John A. Macdonald.
It took quite a transformation for Mr. Harper to come to this place. As an MP's assistant in 1986, he was a right-wing ideologue who lacked empathy for Quebec's nationalist aspirations or the plight of disadvantaged regions. However, after witnessing Jean Chrétien win three majorities, Mr. Harper set out to build a broad centrist conservative coalition by turning his Alliance party "into a permanent professional political institution that [voters] can dedicate their loyalty to on an ongoing basis." Then he agreed to any and all terms put on the table by Peter MacKay so long as Canada was left with one united Conservative party.
-Sept 2008 Globe and Mail Bob PLAMONDON
The purists are free to join the Red Tories or the Paul Martin Liberals in their new party.
Rome was not built in a day. Ontario delivered 100 ridings in 2000 to Jean Chretien. Our PM gets it. If the left remain divided Conservatives will be in power for a very long time and a majority without significant gains QC is possible.
Rest of Canada is voting Conservative and twenty more seats are needed.
At Tue Dec 28, 01:42:00 p.m. EST,
Christian Conservative said…
CanadianSense, your name is most accurate... a Canadian who's talking Sense. You've hit the nail on the head, and THAT'S what I can't stand about the short sighted ideologues... they're going to hurt our LONG TERM strategy of turning the tide.
At Thu Jan 13, 05:18:00 a.m. EST,
Konrad said…
Part of the problem here is that if you associate the term 'conservative' monolithically with that of 'small government' you're inevitably going to be disappointed because conservatism is, by definition, a varied tradition. Even the act of relating 'conservatism' to 'small-government' is essentially a post-Thatcherite habit, as her administration emphasized the 'Liberal'--that is, classically liberal--part of the Liberal-Conservative duality often ascribed to western conservative parties at the expense of the 'Conservative' one; the latter being collectivist and more embodied by politicians like Disraeli or Churchhill than the U.S. Republicans or Rob Ford (the former of whom combined Protestant religiosity with Protestant economic liberality and atomization, but that's another story).
My point is, though, that no particularist strand of the Conservative Party--whether it be Red Tories, Blue Tories, or social conservatives--can legitimately claim agency over the entire party, comprised as it is of multifarious ideas and orientations (just consider the contradictoriness of fiscality and military financing, for instance). And frankly, it grows tiresome hearing ostensible partisans with no grasp of political history tarring Red Tories with the charge of being 'unconservative'--an allegation that can just as easily be reversed--or accusing social conservatives of being political baggage when in actuality their ideas form a necessary critique of western society's drift towards moral relativism and the breakdown of non-governmental collective institutions. Get your act together, people--we're all in the same boat; we'll sink together, too.
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