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Friday, September 11, 2009

You'd think that with all this coalition talk...

...that the Liberals would be a little more eager to try and hide the evidence, instead of leaving it fully accessable on their website. I bring to you, in all it's glory, the signatures of every Liberal Member of Parliament, in support of the undemocratic coalition.

Hey Bob, what was that you were saying about Iggy not having signed the document? I seem to see his signature, right there at the very end of the list.

But here's a new thought, maybe Bob is correct in his assertions that Ignatieff never signed it, which would suggest something even more sinister... maybe the Iggy siggy was forged?

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  • At Fri. Sep. 11, 07:47:00 p.m. EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Those are not coalition documents. You already provided a link to the coalition documents a few posts ago. And they do not appear to be signed by Ignatieff.

    And, I might add, that the coalition would have been between the NDP and Libs. The Bloc only agreed to do for the liberals what it had been doing for the CPC for many months.

  • At Fri. Sep. 11, 08:06:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Christian Conservative said…

    SQUAK... I hear Liberal talking points... SQUAK!!!

    POOF goes the comment... don't you guys have anything better to do? I've warned you, and I'll do it again... reposting Liberal talking points WON'T be permitted here. Find someone else to do your spinning for you.

  • At Fri. Sep. 11, 11:04:00 p.m. EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    "Poof goes the comment"
    The comment?
    Does that mean there was only one?
    In which case I fear it was mine.

    I thought most of my comment involved quotes from Stephen Harper... Fairly extensive ones. Though that does probably make the comment less post-able...

    I don't consider myself a liberal (at least not in the context of Canada's party system). Though I admit there were moments where I was harsh. (Sorry).

    Is it possible to define "talking point" for the purposes of your blog? (Or have you done so already?).

  • At Fri. Sep. 11, 11:42:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Rural and Right said…

    Is Iggy above printing his name on the right like the rest of the Liberals did on the Coaltion Document???

  • At Fri. Sep. 11, 11:47:00 p.m. EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Quick! Many people need to save this pdf document before it mysteriously disappears from the Liberal Party website.

  • At Sat. Sep. 12, 11:10:00 a.m. EDT, Blogger Christian Conservative said…

    Hey Anon@11:04pm,

    I've been seeing those same quotes being peddled by Liberal blogs for a day or two now... I'm already well aware of them, and know where to find them.

    So, in response to those "Liberal talking points" (ie - the "gotcha!" points that I see Liberal blogs putting out there, which then mysteriously appear on my blog as a "comment") from Harper's 2005 quotes regarding temporarily working with the NDP and the Bloc, a history lesson is in order...

    The governing Liberals had just been implicated in the perhaps the greatest scandal in Canadian history, where millions of dollars in contracts were awarded to their friends, some of which ended up back in the Liberal Party's coffers, or in brown paper bags to be used as slush funds for various riding campaigns. In that context, it was the RESPONSIBILITY of the Opposition to work together to remove a potentially corrupt Government from office, a hypothesis which was ultimately admitted by the Liberal Party of Canada when they wrote a cheque for $1.14 million dollars to the Canadian people. (some surmise that this was a significantly low balled number, but perhaps we'll never know for sure... though the current case in the courts may prove interesting if more names are released in the middle of a fall election campaign...)

    In that context, Mr. Harper's comments are not only defensible, they're COMMENDABLE, for having gone beyond Party rhetoric to defend the Canadian people. The current idea of the Liberals working with the NDP to form a government should the Tories again win power? Utterly CONTEMPTIBLE, and the height of arrogance, that should the people decide that Mr. Harper should continue to govern by giving him the most seats, (even without a majority of votes) that anyone would even consider forming an alternate government in the backrooms, be it a signed coalition or just a series of "compromises" as suggested by Mr. Ignatieff yesterday.

    Don't be fooled... if Harper gets the most seats, but is shy of a majority, the Opposition won't let him govern for long... despite being returned to power by the people for the THIRD STRAIGHT TIME.

  • At Sat. Sep. 12, 12:13:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Jerry Prager said…

    No matter how many times you keep incanting the words undemocratic coalition" it won't change the reality that 400 years or so of parliamentary traditions contains scores of democratic coalitions. You represent a minority viewpoint: you will never represent the majority: your social authoritarianism is anti-Canadian. Period.

  • At Sat. Sep. 12, 02:27:00 p.m. EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Dear Jerry,

    Is it possible to rephrase the argument in a way that does not rely on categorizing the other side as alien/not one of us/an enemy within?

    I find this hard to do myself... but am increasingly interested in trying... in large part because it seems that the arguments of Stephen Harper et al rely on that sort of rhetoric.

    So there are no complaints about the Bloc when the Bloc is working with them, but when the Bloc is working with the other parties, they and the other parties are suddenly anti-Canadian. Or consider the TV ads against Ignatieff: He's "just visiting"; he lived in other places and belonged to other communities; he's a harvard professor; he's not one of us; his TV commercial looks like the flag of Monaco or Indonesia (Sorry CC).

    I think we need to accept the "social authoritarianism" as Canadian, and respond to it as Canadians. I think we need to do the same with the Bloc. (Except don't tell them that I consider them Canadian. That might make them mad).


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