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Monday, June 12, 2006

Dalton Goes Nuclear

No, I'm not refering to his recent reaction (pun, ha ha) regarding Caledonia... but I guess the title works for both these two news items!

The McGuinty government has just announced that to deal with Ontario's future energy needs, the province will pursue the referb of several existing nuclear reactors, and prepeare for the construction of a new plant.

I, for one, agree. Solar and wind power are not going to be enough to meet our needs anytime soon, but I do agree with enviornmentalists that we can still conserve more power than we are at present.

Good move by Dalton & Co.

But it still won't change my vote... ;-)


  • At Mon. Jun. 12, 03:15:00 p.m. EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Last week I watched the QP at Queen's Park and Howard Hampton attacked the Liberals on their proposed Bill to allow a "Crisis" to over-ride the fixed date for our October 2007 Provincial Election.
    I've never believed that McGuinty would stick to his promise of the 2007 Election because it appeared as a ruse based on Damage-Control from the last series of LIE's.
    The MSM didn't seem to follow this scam by McGuinty , and his Nuclear Power plan may be another ruse by leaking it out early to prepare us for another series of hollow promises prior to the next Election.

  • At Mon. Jun. 12, 03:51:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Blake said…

    Aren't some of the reactors in Bruce-Grey still offline? Maybe we need to update existing infrastructure as opposed to building new facilities, if this is the case.

    Even that, though, is a moot point. As long as the residential expansion in Ontario continues, we're going to have more power needs, which means a larger grid with larger capabilities and newer technology. Which is one reason why residential development in Ontario should slow down.

  • At Mon. Jun. 12, 04:38:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Christian Conservative said…

    "Aren't some of the reactors in Bruce-Grey still offline? Maybe we need to update existing infrastructure as opposed to building new facilities, if this is the case"

    From what I understand, that's the plan. You're right... a referb is often way cheaper than a new one.

  • At Mon. Jun. 12, 05:23:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Blake said…

    The fact remains that no politicians takes infrastructure planning seriously. Even Harris didn't, and everybody here knows what a fan I was of him. But the day a politician makes infrastructure a priority and established tightly-controlled and growing reserves for updates and exapansion is the day I keel over of a heart attack.

  • At Mon. Jun. 12, 05:49:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Loki said…

    Yesterday I watched Ontario blow up a coal fired generating station, my first thought was, typical of Ontario to go in the opposite direction of technoligy.
    COAL, not fission is the future of power production.
    Within two years Coal will be the cleanest most efficient source of
    power on the planet and Ontario is blowing them up.
    Mercury capture technoligy is nearly perfect, in two years it will be.
    Dalton is selling you people snake oil.
    Don't take my word for it, ask anyone investing in the energy sectors. COAL COAL COAL.

  • At Mon. Jun. 12, 06:36:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Dirk said…

    You're mistaken.

    There's some work being done with the gassification of coal. If I recall correctly, the Ontario Energy Board is predicting that 2% of our power will come from that in about 5-10 years. But the gassification of coal is a *completely* different way of getting energy out of coal than traditional coal burning, as was done in the Mississauga plant.

    Traditional coal burning is not the wave of the future.

  • At Mon. Jun. 12, 08:29:00 p.m. EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Dirk, ou are the one that is mistaken. Read this and wake up. We just lost a chance at a really good new clean way to use coal so that Daltons buddies in the nuclear industry can make a few more billion.

  • At Mon. Jun. 12, 09:45:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Dirk said…

    "Read this and wake up."

    Good heavens.

    First of all, for those that want to blame everything, including world hunger on Dalton, it was the previous Conservative government that first pledged to close the Lakeview plant. McGuinty re-affirmed this pledge in the last election.

    Second, this statement is ridiculous:
    "We just lost a chance at a really good new clean way to use coal..."
    The Lakeview plant was over forty years old, and was only used as a peaking plant for the last 20 or so years. This means that nay investement in algae scrubbers would be wasted. Also, algae scrubbers aren't practical in the Lakeview plant a) because of its age, and b) because they need room to install the algae pools etc.. And as for coal being clean because of this use of algae, think again. Algae doesn't eat the heavy metals that are the by-product of coal burning.

    Third, this is also ridiculous:
    "Daltons buddies in the nuclear industry can make a few more billion"
    This is a new one for me. OPG is a government-owned company: it's not publicly traded or privately owned. And for what it's worth, there are more connections to the Ontario PCs in OPG than the Liberals, on account of the Harris government's activity in the power sector.

  • At Mon. Jun. 12, 10:11:00 p.m. EDT, Blogger Deepthinker said…

    dirk I agree that it was a good idea hat hey closed the power station but I feel taht they needed to REPLACE it, not just tear it down. I knwo for a fact that Coal will be the way of the future as the first 100% clean burning coal power plant was built in Alberta last year. I agree with the enviromental concerns of coal but we must remember that the importance is to try and have power in teh first place. I say we deregulate power generation and let companies come up and they themselves will build tons of plants built to whatever enviromental specifications we want.

  • At Tue. Jun. 13, 01:04:00 a.m. EDT, Blogger Mark Francis said…

    The coal plant in Alberta is not 100% clean burning -- that's the snake oil. There's no such thing.

    All of the coal scrubbing technologies still produce immense amounts of CO2, and you still have to dispose of the scrub residue somewhere! The heavy metals and other pollutants just don't vanish. You have to landfill them... where? In Michigan? Do you think they will take it?

    Coal gasification is the only method which actually produces no pollutants, and it is still under development. Note: It uses more coal to produce the same amount of electricity when compared to traditional coal plants.

    Although there is a lot of coal left, it isn't the 'wave of the future' -- at least, not for long, anyway. The coal industry in North America wants to:

    1. press it into diesel oil to relieve the fuel crunch
    2. Sell it to China (pop 1 billion)
    3. Sell it to India (pop nearly 1 billion)
    4. Burn it all over North America to make electricity
    5. Use it in the processed used to make ethanol (yes, they burn coal in the US to make it; Canada tends to use natural gas)

    It's a non-renewable resource, and probably more people die mining it in North America every year than have ever been killed working for the North American nuclear industry.

    My point is, we'd run out rather quickly. 100 years perhaps? What then? Nuclear?

    If nuclear, why not just do nuclear now and avoid the greenhouse gas emissions?

    So coal isn't the future, unless the coal lobbyists get their way.

    And watch the costs of those nuclear refurbs. They've a history of going way over budget as well.

    Now, for a possibly better answer... Ever hear of flow batteries?

  • At Tue. Jun. 13, 01:14:00 a.m. EDT, Anonymous x2para said…

    not more of this "greenhouse gas emissions" "immense amount of CO2" malakey again; that particular flim flam is so tiresome

  • At Tue. Jun. 13, 03:19:00 a.m. EDT, Blogger Dirk said…

    What's tiresome is the denial that CO2 emissions aren't worth considering. And even if you take CO2 out of the coal equation, there are still many other serious problems that make burning it undesirable.

  • At Sun. Jun. 18, 11:02:00 a.m. EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    So maybe we should just ban every car in the country then too because they aren't 100% zero emmision. You have to realize that we still have to live, and to live you have to make some pollution. We can cut pollution back as much as possible until new technologies make things cleaner but we can't cut to the point where it is going to cripple our country.
    Also "OPG is a government-owned company: it's not publicly traded or privately owned"

    Do you think that the ontario govt. designs and builds these new reactors? This is being done by private companies that happen to have ties to McGinty and others. (probably also Mike Harris) Point is we are all being snowed on this.


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