My official statement
"Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake." Romans 13:1-5, NKJV
Of course, if people don't want to believe that, they can listen to this instead... (specifically the 0:30 second mark)
UPDATE: Seems that some (okay, A LOT) of folks have been taking my post out of context. So just a clarification. These verses aren't talking about any one issue. It's simply a good summary of my general credo in life... that I seek to fully obey the Word of God, and walk in accordance with the laws of the land in everything I do. Basically, it's a response to anyone who thinks that I would ever participate in anything illegal. Not my style, as everyone who knows me has and will attest to.
And the video... well, that's for those folks who just don't want to listen. ;-)
posted by Christian Conservative @ 12:57 p.m.
70 Comments:
At Wed May 23, 01:41:00 p.m. EDT,
Anonymous said…
You're the douchebag who got caught organizing misleading robocalls and we're stuck on stupid? Thanks to assholes like you, we're stuck WITH stupid for a few more years.
Honestly, I think you're a creep of epic proportions, and to come out swinging like this in typical Harper fashion makes you an even bigger douche, if that's possible. Clearly, I missed the part in the bible where God professes his eternal love for cheating liars.
At Wed May 23, 02:09:00 p.m. EDT,
Christian Conservative said…
See what I mean folks? Just look at that comment... "Stuck on Stupid" indeed.
At Wed May 23, 02:26:00 p.m. EDT,
Christian Conservative said…
Of course, a better summary of my views, and of my actions, is this:
"Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience sake." Romans 13:1-5
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+13%3A1-5&version=NKJV
(HINT TO THE HATERS: You see, despite what theories you may have gotten into your head, I actually LIVE by these words... and always have)
At Wed May 23, 02:50:00 p.m. EDT,
harebell said…
Interesting that you insist folk move on when an active investigation into fraud is underway and has yet to report.
Also it is interesting that you appear to advocating that ordinary folk should never question the actions of their leaders because they were apparently appointed by your god.
So the anti-abortion crowd that demands the issue be re-opened should shut up and stay away too; as should anybody from the far right religious lobbies currently seeking to restrict our civil rights.
Or is it only folks you disagree with who should move on?
At Wed May 23, 03:29:00 p.m. EDT,
Timothy Friesen said…
What (if we follow your analogy) is Canada's Rita? Why is (the God-appointed) Stephen Harper the only leader capable of leading Canada through this supposed Rita?
Why did people working with a God-appointed leader have to mislead and misdirect in order to get him elected?
At Wed May 23, 03:35:00 p.m. EDT,
Feff said…
What a joke this author is--apparently Hitler, Stalin & Mao were all doing gods work.
At Wed May 23, 03:38:00 p.m. EDT,
Anonymous said…
Does this mean you were only following the orders of those in authority? Forgive me if I am misinterpreting.
At Wed May 23, 03:49:00 p.m. EDT,
Christian Conservative said…
Well, let's see how many "Stuck on Stupid" comments we get. Oh, but instead of posting the comments, I'll just post the quote, "You are stuck on stupid"
So far...
"You are stuck on stupid"
"You are stuck on stupid"
"You are stuck on stupid"
At Wed May 23, 03:51:00 p.m. EDT,
Anonymous said…
John 8:44 ESV
You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
At Wed May 23, 03:53:00 p.m. EDT,
Poyan Nahrvar said…
I have a better idea CC.
How about some prison-time for your criminal acts in the Robocall scandal?
That way you can meet new people with lots of cool tattoos who will try to bend you over to their high authority.
Just remember CC, don't resist their authority. "Whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God"
;)
At Wed May 23, 03:54:00 p.m. EDT,
Christian Conservative said…
Anon @ 3:51 - That verse has no relevance to me in this situation, as I always tell the truth. Next!
At Wed May 23, 03:54:00 p.m. EDT,
Christian Conservative said…
Sigh... another unposted "You are stuck on stupid" comment...
At Wed May 23, 03:55:00 p.m. EDT,
Anonymous said…
Put this little criminal in prison for his role in the Robocall scandal already.
At Wed May 23, 03:55:00 p.m. EDT,
Christian Conservative said…
And another... "You are stuck on stupid"
At Wed May 23, 03:56:00 p.m. EDT,
Anonymous said…
This guy belongs in prison! He broke the law!
At Wed May 23, 03:56:00 p.m. EDT,
Christian Conservative said…
And another... weee, this is fun... "You are stuck on stupid"
At Wed May 23, 03:59:00 p.m. EDT,
Christian Conservative said…
Oh, and if you post a comment, and don't see it appear here, that means one of the "You are stuck on stupid" quotes belongs to you.
Seriously folks... nothing to see here. Move along. Don't get "Stuck on Stupid"
At Wed May 23, 03:59:00 p.m. EDT,
Anon1152 said…
Hi CC.
Glad to see you're back. I was beginning to worry about you.
*
I find the scripture you quote... vague and ambiguous. I'm not sure what you mean exactly. It could mean any number of things. I think it could be a declaration of your non-involvement... or a justification of your involvement.
Could I ask for a little... exegesis?
At Wed May 23, 04:01:00 p.m. EDT,
Anonymous said…
Well, let's try again, then:
You are of your father the Harper, and your will is to do your Harper's desires. He was a Harpercrite from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
At Wed May 23, 04:05:00 p.m. EDT,
Christian Conservative said…
Still here 1152. Not commenting on the scandal. Just commenting on my general credo in life, which is that I obey the law at all times, more-so than most people. And ESPECIALLY during elections... in fact, I'm the guy who's got copies of the Elections Act, and have actually read most of the thing. I play by the rules... ALWAYS. And if there's no specific rule, I err on the side of caution.
Which is why I have to stand back and laugh at all the "haters" (or, as I like to think of them now, "groupies") that I seem to have collected these last few months. I never realized how interesting my life was... but they just can't seem to get enough of me!
I just think it will be fun to watch as they realize, one by one, how wrong they all were...
At Wed May 23, 04:07:00 p.m. EDT,
Christian Conservative said…
That's at little better 4:01... still "Stuck on Stupid", but better.
At Wed May 23, 04:15:00 p.m. EDT,
Anon1152 said…
Thanks CC. That's what I was hoping to hear.
I'll be interested to see what this scandal looks like when the dust settles. At the moment, I get the impression that the dust has just begun to be stirred up.
At Wed May 23, 04:20:00 p.m. EDT,
Timothy Friesen said…
>>Just commenting on my general credo
>>in life, which is that I obey the >>law at all times, more-so than most
>>people. And ESPECIALLY during >>elections... in fact, I'm the guy >>who's got copies of the Elections >>Act, and have actually read most of
>>the thing. I play by the rules... >>ALWAYS. And if there's no specific
>>rule, I err on the side of caution.
We can draw three distinct outcomes from this...
1) You are responsible for the robocalls and don't think that they were a breach of the elections act.
2) You are not responsible for the robocalls.
3) You think this is still stuck on stupid and that the rapture is imminent.
At Wed May 23, 04:21:00 p.m. EDT,
Ben (The Tiger on Politics) said…
Interpretive reading for those unfamiliar with that sort of text:
1. The authorities that exist have divine sanction.
2. To disobey the authorities is therefore to disobey God, and will bring divine retribution.
3. CC obeys the authorities, and obeys the law.
[Works fine in a liberal democracy; slightly more problematic in a dictatorship -- but most likely the way to read it there is that those authorities do not have divine sanction, and therefore are not true authorities.]
Most of us, FWIW, can't make that claim. For instance, I disobey speed limits... daily.
At Wed May 23, 04:24:00 p.m. EDT,
Christian Conservative said…
Timothy... perhaps #2 & #3? ;-)
At Wed May 23, 04:33:00 p.m. EDT,
Christian Conservative said…
Thanks Ben, well said.
As for speed limits... okay, you got me there. LOL. But I still hesitate even with jay-walking... I'll always cross at the corner if it's an option. ;-)
At Wed May 23, 04:48:00 p.m. EDT,
Christian Conservative said…
How about "Heil, Unzertrennlich Dumme!", eh buddy?
At Wed May 23, 05:28:00 p.m. EDT,
Sixth Estate said…
Guilty or not, that quotation would have much more staying power if your party didn't happen to BE the government at the present moment.
It's also a transparently silly and false statement. Plenty of people who followed that Bible to the letter had very good reason to fear their governments. Some of them still do. And plenty of governments in this world need to be opposed, even though according to you they're "God's minister."
A very silly statement from a very silly book.
At Wed May 23, 05:55:00 p.m. EDT,
Anonymous said…
If your mother had learned fellatio, we wouldn't be stuck with the likes of you. There's more than just the missionary position.
At Wed May 23, 05:55:00 p.m. EDT,
Anonymous said…
Glad to hear from you CC you have been a favourite Blogger of mine sue for ten million
fh
At Wed May 23, 06:41:00 p.m. EDT,
Anonymous said…
I find it very difficult to believe that our leaders were appointed by god. How can anyone believe that? This primitive way of thinking should have stayed in the dark ages where it belongs.
At Wed May 23, 06:52:00 p.m. EDT,
Christian Conservative said…
Add one more "Stuck on Stupid". Plus a well know journalist mocking me for my faith. Nice.
At Wed May 23, 07:04:00 p.m. EDT,
harebell said…
What you wrote appears to be
"safely, inseparably stupid." or possibly "hail inseparably stupid."
I think "Gesteckt auf dumm." is more accurate.
As for your proclamation about your obeying the law. Would you be the same guy who vowed to ignore any law legitimising same sex marriage, because you thought you might have to marry teh gayz in your church?
I believe you even wrote a declaration that would be read in court as to your possible future actions.
Doesn't sound like someone who thinks that their leaders are infallible agents of their god.
At Wed May 23, 08:17:00 p.m. EDT,
Alberta Girl said…
I see the ever tolerant left is out in full force with their open minded and loving comments. They, of course would never make accusations without proof and we should be so thankful for their loving nature in this matter!
SARC off
At Wed May 23, 08:58:00 p.m. EDT,
UU4077 said…
Clipping a quote from the Bible is really not very useful without context. So ... are we living under a supression similar to the Jews under the Romans?
At Wed May 23, 09:37:00 p.m. EDT,
Drew Costen said…
Hey Andrew.
I trust no one, but I tend to believe you if you say you're not responsible for the Robocalls (presuming that's what you're saying, your post and comments don't actually make it all that clear unless I missed one where you outright denied it).
I am curious though, knowing how much you do know about technology, whether you are aware of who actually is responsible? The few articles I read that mentioned the issue say that you shared an IP address with whoever's responsible, and I'm assuming someone like you is security conscious enough to have proper user accounts and logs and everything so that sort of thing could be tracked (I know I would as an IT professional who's meticulous about security myself).
This has been bugging me since I heard about your connection, and I didn't want to bring it up on Facebook but I figure since you've posted about it here on your blog I'd finally mention it.
At Wed May 23, 10:08:00 p.m. EDT,
Anonymous said…
Without a doubt I have been saved by God. I always wonder why but I am also always grateful. When I think of the evil thing you have done and how you have quoted scripture to justify it I can only have pity on you. You need to confess your sins to God. If you have then good. Nothing more is necessary and you will then be judged by our legal system. But it really seems like you have closed your heart to God on this. That is very dangerous. Clear your mind, open your heart and ask God to judge you.
At Wed May 23, 10:17:00 p.m. EDT,
Christian Conservative said…
To the thoughtful, and perhaps fellow believer, who posted at 10:08pm... I'd love to have a further dialouge with you, but due to circumstances, we can't have that chat now. Contact me again once this is all cleared up.
At Wed May 23, 10:26:00 p.m. EDT,
Rich said…
CC: I read the comments and I am amazed that people can actually write this crap: I am a Conservative and a supporter of Mr. Harper and I like the direction that he is taking the country. Canada is now recognized around the world as a beacon of stability and a strong defender of the oppressed countries. Keep up the good work and God Bless you and may his light shine down upon you, and all you detractors may he have mercy on their souls.
Comments from a practicing Roman Catholic
At Wed May 23, 10:34:00 p.m. EDT,
Anonymous said…
Ok Andrew, if we are to take you at your word and believe you, and you say you follow the law and didn't break the law the question now becomes:
If you are hiding the names of those who are responsible for the illegal robocalls then you are also guilty.
The information is out there, as you know, and is coming forward soon. Are you going to be exposed as innocent of the crime, but guilty of abetting the crime or are you going to help the investigation.
Do you put the duty to do good above party?
Or are you just another pretend christian who says they follow the word, except when it doesn't suit them?
Go ahead, show us your morals.
At Wed May 23, 10:47:00 p.m. EDT,
UU4077 said…
Canada is now recognized around the world as a beacon of stability and a strong defender of the oppressed countries. Substantiation?
At Wed May 23, 11:07:00 p.m. EDT,
Anne in swON said…
Good to see you back, Andrew. Stay strong!
At Wed May 23, 11:20:00 p.m. EDT,
Anonymous said…
Pearls and swine, bro.
This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God's commandments and remain faithful to Jesus. Rev 14:12
15. (1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.
At Wed May 23, 11:39:00 p.m. EDT,
Sixth Estate said…
I see more mocking of the author of Romans than of you. I share your respect for the rule of law; I just think Paul's statement on the subject is rather silly and obviously narrow-minded.
UU4077 -- Paul is not referring to the persecution of Jews by Romans. Online versions of the New Testament are a dime a dozen, so context should be fairly easy to come by.
At Wed May 23, 11:59:00 p.m. EDT,
Anonymous said…
The governing authorities are appointed by God? Umm...huh?
At Thu May 24, 12:00:00 a.m. EDT,
Anonymous said…
I am unendingly amused by the screen-capture you have to type in to make a comment, which is headed with the statement "Please prove you're not a robot."
At Thu May 24, 12:12:00 a.m. EDT,
Anonymous said…
@AlbertaGirl & @Rich
You dont need to look very hard to see this government is not taking us in the right direction. They want to make it harder to get EI or even get your pension. They want to take away most environmental rules and muzzle Canadian scientists who receive public funding. They are currently trying to pass a copyright bill which will make Canada one of the most digitally restricted countries in the world. The want to monitor our online activities just because one in 10,000 people might be doing something wrong. They have changed the meat inspection rules to allow potentially "dog food" grade meat into the food supply. They want to allow genetically modified food stuffs into the food supply as well. I don't thing god would be happy with us playing god. This is not a place where I want my children to live. I don't understand, where do you think the conservatives have made the right choice? Surely you don't think Canadian banks needed a $114 billion dollar bailout when there was no evidence it was even needed!!?? This government only cares about big business, not me or you. Conservatives are for small government, yet they make so many laws that its impossible to keep up. And now thanks to bill C-10, a small time marijuana grower goes to jail for a longer mandatory minimum sentence than a convicted pedophile! The list goes on...
None are so hopeless as those who believe they are free....
At Thu May 24, 02:27:00 a.m. EDT,
Anonymous said…
Then Canada is guilty of having two faces. We are undergoing the dismantling of the fundamentals that actually did make Canada a beacon of stability and a strong defender of the oppressed countries. Harper is a Godless man using 'followers' to shore up his repressive regime. Please stop drinking the fool-aid.
At Thu May 24, 02:51:00 a.m. EDT,
Anonymous said…
Please don't see me as argumentative, but I truly don't understand the connection between Christianity and Conservatism. I, myself, have "put on Christ" but the Christ I know is nothing like what I see in Ottawa. The Christ I know would eschew the financially expedient in favour of helping the underprivileged. Peacemaking is valued more than military hardware and redemption is sought for wrong-doers over their retribution.
I could go on, but it could be summed up with Christ's great manifesto - the sermon on the mount. I see neither the letter or the spirit of those words in the current government.
At Thu May 24, 07:31:00 a.m. EDT,
Anonymous said…
Here is my question for you. If you had no part in the illegal robocall scandal, but we know that someone did use your ip address 4 minutes apart from when you logged on....So the chance that you had no idea who was on your computer seems pretty slim. Can you not see how some people may think you're hiding something? Politics aside, personal beliefs aside, how can you not see the problem?
At Thu May 24, 01:24:00 p.m. EDT,
Ted Betts said…
"Just commenting on my general credo in life, which is that I obey the law at all times, more-so than most people. And ESPECIALLY during elections... in fact, I'm the guy who's got copies of the Elections Act, and have actually read most of the thing. I play by the rules... ALWAYS. And if there's no specific rule, I err on the side of caution."
So you would never, say, grab and try to confiscate an Elections Canada ballot box with real ballots in it in the middle of election day, right? Just to be clear. Because that would be illegal.
You would never call someone or arrange for a robocall to someone on a voter database belonging to a national party, right? Because that would be a violation of privacy laws unless you got the express written consent of the national party and the individual.
And you would never ever call someone or arrange fora robocall to someone in which you did not identify yourself properly, right? or direct someone to an incorrect address for a voting station, right?
Just so we're crystal clear on what you mean by always playing by the rules and erring on the side of caution.
At Thu May 24, 02:52:00 p.m. EDT,
Ted Betts said…
CC:
I see moderated comments have been approved since I posted a comment. They were on point and civil and not in the "stuck on stupid" category. Are you censoring my questions?
Curious.
At Thu May 24, 04:14:00 p.m. EDT,
Christian Conservative said…
Ted, great questions... stay tuned.
At Thu May 24, 05:43:00 p.m. EDT,
Anon1152 said…
Anon@2:51:
I agree with you completely. (Except for the putting on Christ part. I don't think I've done that). But I do see the conflict between Christianity and conservatism. But I think that it's important to distinguish between conservatism (especially the old progressive conservatism) and the current conservative government.
Also: I don't think you sounded argumentative at all (and I suspect that CC didn't see you as argumentative either... though disclaimers like that often help).
At Thu May 24, 09:43:00 p.m. EDT,
UU4077 said…
Paul is not referring to the persecution of Jews by Romans.
Actually, he is. He is trying to prevent the small Jewish community in Rome from doing something stupid that might lead to their "severe" persecution.
At Fri May 25, 03:29:00 a.m. EDT,
Cinguettare said…
All ye like sheep. There are those with fleece and those who do the fleecing. Which are you? Conservatives like everything defined "clearly" it seems. When did God send you the memo that you were interpreting scripture so well? Who are you to judge intelligence and stupidity? What sort of cult has your political party become? Too many questions that I don't want to know the answers from a wannabe pontificator.
At Fri May 25, 09:34:00 a.m. EDT,
Anonymous said…
having seen the posts I think your lawsuit should be 20 million are these people Liberal supporters
My parents voted Liberal when the Liberal party had leaders
I will never vote Liberal
Show us the proof that Andrew did anything illegal
It is as I suspected smear smear smear no PROOF just smear smear smear
fh
At Fri May 25, 03:43:00 p.m. EDT,
Zorpheous said…
If you try to live by guidance of this verse, then you are doing a poor job.
From Romans 13:1-5 we can boil it down to a few important points.
1. The authorities that exist have divine sanction.
2. To disobey the authorities is therefore to disobey God, and will bring divine retribution.
3. CC obeys the authorities, and obeys the law.
(using this quote from another commenter)
You stop co-operating with the existing authorities that are investigating this crime. You decline an interview request with Elections Canada. You Lawyered-up with what are to understand is very good CPC paid Lawyer.
At Fri May 25, 04:10:00 p.m. EDT,
Christian Conservative said…
Oops... another "Stuck on Stupid"
At Fri May 25, 05:29:00 p.m. EDT,
Anonymous said…
Oooh I love bible study.
What do you think of:
"Though shall not undermine thine neighbor's democracy with robocalls"
Leviticus 15:12
I live by that one!
At Fri May 25, 05:33:00 p.m. EDT,
Anonymous said…
Are you a Canadian or a Conservative first?
Turn over the criminals responsible for stealing the last election over to Elections Canada and the RCMP.
Democracy is more important than your political ambitions.
At Fri May 25, 05:51:00 p.m. EDT,
Christian Conservative said…
Nice try Anon@5:29... here's a little hint for you. A faulty premise will lead to an incorrect conclusion.
So folks, step back, re-examine your own biases, recognize that you've already made up your mind on this issue, and then maybe, MAYBE, you'll have even a remote chance of stumbling on some actual truth.
You gotta love all the hate that's out there, hate that's not being directed at me... but directed at a fictional construct of me that these folks have conjured up within their own minds. Rather sad, when you stop and think about it.
Oh, and yet another unpublished "STUCK ON STUPID" comment.
At Wed May 30, 10:04:00 a.m. EDT,
Anonymous said…
"Political party being intimidated & robo-obsessed Left is silent"
=====================
So lets blame "the left" and call them hypocrites. You sir are a simpleton.
At Wed May 30, 10:22:00 a.m. EDT,
Christian Conservative said…
Who said I was blaming "the left"? Try again dude... I was commenting on how "the left" has been obsessed with "robocalls", but when a crime is committed against the Conservatives, ie - a foot being mailed to them, the left has been strangely silent.
Why are they not decrying this latest outrage against democracy?
I'll tell you why... because most of them are hypocrites.
At Wed May 30, 05:45:00 p.m. EDT,
Anon1152 said…
At least one member of the NDP has condemned the severed foot mailing (on behalf of the NDP).
http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/05/30/a-suspect-is-identified/
At Mon Jun 04, 12:25:00 p.m. EDT,
Ted Betts said…
The delivery of a foot to the Conservatives and the Liberals by a nutbar psychopath is an outrage to "democracy"?????
And on par with illegal campaign fraud?????
Are you sure you are on the same planet as the rest of us?
Seriously, dude, that is one of the most bizarre and hyper-partisan comments I have read anywhere before.
At Mon Jun 04, 02:04:00 p.m. EDT,
Anonymous said…
I think you are bein judged for your loyalty to the lord and people are giving you a hard time and calling you names because
1. You are a person of interest
2. All the evidence leads to you
3. If you didn't do it then you had to know something about who was doing it or else the police would not have you as a suspect
4. You are refusing all interviews when if you are innocent you would have nothing to hide?
I personally think all your leaders used you as a guppy to do all there dirty work and now your in trouble and all there hands will be clean!! I also think that if you have all this faith and loyalty to the bible/church/Jesus
It's going to be a lot harder to make up for your sins and get forgiven if you are lying to all the people and the truth comes out and you may or may not have been involved in this
SO NOW I ASK REALLY WHERE IS YOUR LOYALTY
And next election once you learned all these people used you to do there dirty work, what party will you vote for
At Tue Jun 05, 03:38:00 p.m. EDT,
Anonymous said…
These responses from you are very immature
At Tue Jun 12, 12:12:00 p.m. EDT,
Anonymous said…
DOUCHEBAG
At Thu Jun 21, 03:25:00 p.m. EDT,
Anonymous said…
Wow are you stupid. If your for conservatism then you are for private jails where inmates are held for profit. Is it ok to profit from the misfortune of others?
Do you believe small drug offenders should spend more time in jail then pedophiles? If you answered yes to these then you are a true christian and conservative.
We know where your true values lie. (No pun intended)
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